Diggs hurt (Torn ACL - out for the season)

[pennstate10]

6 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

The good - Without him we don’t have the 2020 season we had where the Bills became what we are now.  Perennial contenders.  He has a massive place in Bills history.  
 

I had people tell me he’s a this and he’s a that because of how he left Minnesota.  I defended him and defended him thru his protest or whatever the hell it was in June of 2023.  Maybe we all wanted to believe he had a point about Dorsey?  Problems with Josh’s commitment in the off season?  
 

The bad - He basically gave us 2 and a half drama free seasons.  He was elite.  Then something happened.  We’re never going to know.  But not realizing - or maybe not giving a dam about what his legacy in this city was going to be or could have been and that he didn’t care really bothers me.  He looked like he quit after Dorsey was canned.  He looked disinterested.  You telling me he couldn’t do what Shakir or Coleman are doing?  
 

Looking back now, that sideline shoulder shrug and then his unwillingness to talk to the media after that Bengals game, followed up with him proceeding to be a malcontent all off season - in the aftermath of a teammate dying on the field should have told us all we needed to know about him.  
 

A teammate died on the field.  We played a terrible game 3 weeks later.  Season over.  And he vanishes.  Cryptic tweeting.  Usual nonsense.  After what the team went thru.  Just unacceptable for a captain and if he truly cared about the city and fans that doesn’t happen. 
 

He cares about Diggs first.  Ok fine.  
 

I appreciate the 2 and a half seasons.  I wish he wasn’t injured.  Hope you come back strong in Dallas.  

Excellent summary.

You said what I was thinking far more eloquently than I could have. 

[Comebackkid]

1 hour ago, nikuman said:

I wholly disagree that his knee injury is karma related. It’s just bad luck. Really bad luck, considering they restructured his contract into a one year deal. Buffalo winning the Super Bowl, after he forced his way out because he thought he couldn’t win a Super Bowl here, now THAT would be karma. 

in a way its bad luck but now days the nfl has such a high rate of knee injuries that in a position like Diggs its almost a case when, not If.

 

 

[ganesh]

10 hours ago, TH3 said:

He was great for the Bills for 3.5 years. That catch and throw from JA 17 against the lions to set up a GW fg was unbelievable.

And that beautiful TD on the left corner of the Endzone against Arizona was vintage....too bad we lost on a hail mary

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

He knew cameras were across the street before he went to the hospital? 🙄

 

I'm not saying there's no reason to have resentment for how things went after the 2022 Playoff game until his departure. But let's not twist how he responded to the Hamlin situation into "it was just for the cameras" bc of it.

to be honest, who knows on this one… 

 

I haven’t found the succinct summation of how diggs operates. He does seem to care immensely about perception of him, but has a not particularly mature grasp on how to manage that perception. His day to day behavior and his public front he tries to put out are two different things. 
 

he’s plenty narcissistic- work hard play hard - and will clearly use people
 

he wants to be well liked

He wants to be the biggest star

 

 

he wants to curate an image. he struggles dealing with challenges to that and does the childish things when either of those are challenged or the two aren’t aligned (being well liked and the star). He ensures plausible deniability to preserve the image but will be insufferable to be around. 
 

did he go because he was the most emotionally invested or because he was “supposed to go”? Who knows… 

 

just like he started the bad guy act being stuck as WR2 in Minnesota- sitting in the shadow of JA17, the chiefs and mahomes…. And then even his own brother a bit… his luster wore off in Buffalo and it was time for cryptic comments and behind the scenes agitation again. 

[eball]

18 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said:

I didn't read all nine pages, we get any cap relief?

 

No, but the Pats*** were awarded a compensatory pick in next year’s draft.

 

[eball]

16 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Yup. Same fans were happy to see first ballot HOF Jason Peters get traded too for asking for appropriate compensation which the Eagles gave him. 

 

That is such worn out tripe and needs to stop.  Nobody knew Peters would become a HOFer.  What Bills fans saw was an undrafted guy who the Bills gave a chance at TE, then converted to RT, had success, got a contract, and then pouted and demanded more.

 

It’s ridiculous to place blame on fans for seeing a guy who didn’t seem appreciative of his opportunities at all.  If he had shut up and played another season the Bills would have paid him.

 

[thenorthremembers]

15 minutes ago, eball said:

 

That is such worn out tripe and needs to stop.  Nobody knew Peters would become a HOFer.  What Bills fans saw was an undrafted guy who the Bills gave a chance at TE, then converted to RT, had success, got a contract, and then pouted and demanded more.

 

It’s ridiculous to place blame on fans for seeing a guy who didn’t seem appreciative of his opportunities at all.  If he had shut up and played another season the Bills would have paid him.

 

 

I am by no means a Jason Peters' fan but the conversion to RT happened in his second season.   In his third season he split time between both RT and LT.   By year 4 he was starting at LT and made a pro bowl.     He made another pro bowl at LT for the Bills the next year.      They re-signed him at a RT salary the year before they moved him to LT.  He then gave them two elite seasons of LT pay.    He did act like a child about it, but I dont think asking to be paid at the correct position was wrong.   The organization was in the middle of the Marv Levy/Russ Brandon GM years and was being run horribly.   Had the Bills had a real GM at the time I think the situation would have been handled differently.

[eball]

Here’s where I am on Diggs.  I recognize that his arrival coincided with Josh Allen’s and the Bills’ ascension into NFL “royalty.”  For three seasons he was a superstar who made play after play.  I loved the guy.  He never disrespected Buffalo and it was clear he wanted to win.  Something changed, beginning with the Cincinnati meltdown.  His attitude changed.  There was training camp drama.  His brother started tweeting.  The offense struggled after the first few games even though he was still being targeted at a volume rate.  Rumors surfaced about his relationship with Josh.  The OC change was made and his production dropped like a rock.  Then he dropped a crucial pass in the KC playoff game.

 

You can say he was awesome for three years and crappy for one.  Both can be true.  It was time for him to go and I’m glad Beane made the deal he did.  I don’t wish the injury upon him and I’m certainly not happy he got hurt, but karma is a b-i-t-c-h.

 

I think that one day in the future Diggs will look back upon his time in Buffalo fondly and the fans will remember those three awesome seasons.  He’s not going up on the WOF and he won’t be a beloved alumnus of Bills Mafia, but those three seasons were pretty special.

 

Go Bills

 

 

Edited October 30 by eball

[AKC]

When the Diggs injury scrolled across the TV screen my first thought was "there's no way he did that blocking for a teammate".

[eball]

12 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

I am by no means a Jason Peters' fan but the conversion to RT happened in his second season.   In his third season he split time between both RT and LT.   By year 4 he was starting at LT and made a pro bowl.     He made another pro bowl at LT for the Bills the next year.      They re-signed him at a RT salary the year before they moved him to LT.  He then gave them two elite seasons of LT pay.    He did act like a child about it, but I dont think asking to be paid at the correct position was wrong.   The organization was in the middle of the Marv Levy/Russ Brandon GM years and was being run horribly.   Had the Bills had a real GM at the time I think the situation would have been handled differently.

 

Thanks for providing additional details…it was a long time ago.  You’re probably right about the incompetence of the Bills’ front office at the time but I still don’t think fans should be “blamed” for wanting a player the Bills clearly developed to show some appreciation for what had been done.

 

[wjag]

Diggs was him..  Seems to me that his attitiude changed in Buffalo when his receiver's coach went to Miami and his OC went to NYC.  

3 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Thanks for providing additional details…it was a long time ago.  You’re probably right about the incompetence of the Bills’ front office at the time but I still don’t think fans should be “blamed” for wanting a player the Bills clearly developed to show some appreciation for what had been done.

 

 

Regarding Jason Peters: He was exhibit A of the Bills of that era being the NFL's Farm Team.

Edited October 30 by wjag

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 minutes ago, wjag said:

Diggs was him..  Seems to me that his attitiude changed in Buffalo when his receiver's coach went to Miami and his OC went to NYC.  

 

Regarding Jason Peters: He was exhibit A of the Bills of that era being the NFL's Farm Team.

That's interesting because I've thought of the Sabres as a developmental program for the NHL during the drought. Lots of players leaving or being traded and then winning the Cup or showing major improvements to their game elsewhere. 

[thenorthremembers]

22 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Thanks for providing additional details…it was a long time ago.  You’re probably right about the incompetence of the Bills’ front office at the time but I still don’t think fans should be “blamed” for wanting a player the Bills clearly developed to show some appreciation for what had been done.

 

 

Completely agree there.    He owes the Bills organization a lot, especially Mouse McNally.    Peters is likely a Hall of Famer and without McNally I am not sure he ever refines his skills.   

[BuffaloMatt]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Then he dropped a crucial pass in the KC playoff game.

Exactly

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

I am by no means a Jason Peters' fan but the conversion to RT happened in his second season.   In his third season he split time between both RT and LT.   By year 4 he was starting at LT and made a pro bowl.     He made another pro bowl at LT for the Bills the next year.      They re-signed him at a RT salary the year before they moved him to LT.  He then gave them two elite seasons of LT pay.    He did act like a child about it, but I dont think asking to be paid at the correct position was wrong.   The organization was in the middle of the Marv Levy/Russ Brandon GM years and was being run horribly.   Had the Bills had a real GM at the time I think the situation would have been handled differently.

 

It's funny to look at the 08-10 bills rosters.  Who was making money on these teams?  How was this team even at the salary floor, or even remotely competitive? 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

That is such worn out tripe and needs to stop.  Nobody knew Peters would become a HOFer.  What Bills fans saw was an undrafted guy who the Bills gave a chance at TE, then converted to RT, had success, got a contract, and then pouted and demanded more.

 

It’s ridiculous to place blame on fans for seeing a guy who didn’t seem appreciative of his opportunities at all.  If he had shut up and played another season the Bills would have paid him.

 

If you were underpaid at your job, would you be appreciative of the opportunity? How about if your career might end at any moment from an injury and your employer can just cancel your contract? And lastly, I assume your career is not dependent on your age and might only last a few years. As poster below pointed out he was already playing LT at the time at a high level. 

 

If you really want a guy that the fan base should be mad at it's Will Wolford. He and his agent really screwed the Bills with that contract that had a clause that he was to be highest paid player on team when Colts had no good QBs and we had Kelly on a huge deal. 

[eball]

24 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

If you were underpaid at your job, would you be appreciative of the opportunity? How about if your career might end at any moment from an injury and your employer can just cancel your contract? And lastly, I assume your career is not dependent on your age and might only last a few years. As poster below pointed out he was already playing LT at the time at a high level. 

 

If you really want a guy that the fan base should be mad at it's Will Wolford. He and his agent really screwed the Bills with that contract that had a clause that he was to be highest paid player on team when Colts had no good QBs and we had Kelly on a huge deal. 

 

Regarding Peters...yes, I do think he should have been appreciative of being plucked as an undrafted free agent TE and developed into an all-pro LT.  I understand the business side of it and maximizing your earning potential when you are a professional athlete.  I just didn't like the way he did it and I don't see the point in blaming fans for anything.  I do acknowledge the Bills were a dysfunctional s-h-i-t-show at the time.

 

And yes, Wolford and his agent screwed the Bills.

 

[TheFunPolice]

23 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It’s possible players over train some muscles and have an imbalance. Christian Watson said he kept tearing his hamstring because one leg was stronger than the other.

 

That makes a lot of sense too...

 

I think of Teddy Bridgewater, who suffered a catastrophic and even life threatening knee injury while dropping back to pass in practice, nobody even around him. 

 

The human body is an enigma sometimes. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

17 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

That makes a lot of sense too...

 

I think of Teddy Bridgewater, who suffered a catastrophic and even life threatening knee injury while dropping back to pass in practice, nobody even around him. 

 

The human body is an enigma sometimes. 

An NBA players leg literally exploded just running down the court the other night. Pretty nasty injury.

[Mat68]

20 hours ago, sleeby said:

{Art wander}: wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute-

 

How, how, does vegas have the Jets favored by 2 over HOU in NJ?  Losing Diggs cannot be it.  Can someone tell me why my first ever online bet should not be HOU this thursday?

 

 

Largest city in the US with a large fanbase.  Probably large number of bets on NYJ early and flipped it 2 pts.  1.5 to -1.5 is 1.5 difference.  The line wont be even. So there is no 0.