DeepPass Posted October 27 Posted October 27 Two different eras but similar great players. Both solid veterans when they came to the Bills with wonderful, calm personalities and physical speed. James got the Bills over the hump to the Super Bowl. Can Amari do the same for this group of Bills? That would be interesting! 7 2 Quote
Bill51390 Posted October 27 Posted October 27 Not really comparable. Bills had Lofton and Reed both Hall of Fame receivers then. None of our current receivers are gonna be Hall of Famers. 2 1 2 2 1 Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted October 27 Posted October 27 1 minute ago, Bill51390 said: Not really comparable. Bills had Lofton and Reed both Hall of Fame receivers then. None of our current receivers are gonna be Hall of Famers. Every move the Bills make now has to have a parallel 90's team move though, make it fit!! And bring back all those hall of famers to be the position coaches already! 2 Quote
Old Coot Posted October 27 Posted October 27 Lofton and Reed were perfect compliments. Lofton could take the top off a defense which gave Reed room to operate underneath, mostly over the middle. It's possible that Cooper may have similar synergistic results with the present WR corps. 1 Quote
HansLanda Posted October 27 Posted October 27 Waiting for the Ray Davis is Kenny Davis thread now. 1 6 Quote
boyst Posted October 27 Posted October 27 1 hour ago, Bill51390 said: Not really comparable. Bills had Lofton and Reed both Hall of Fame receivers then. None of our current receivers are gonna be Hall of Famers. Sir... Please check all sources. I believe you're wrong. Facts are facts, Jack. We have a future HOF right here. 1 Quote
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 27 Posted October 27 1 hour ago, Bill51390 said: Not really comparable. Bills had Lofton and Reed both Hall of Fame receivers then. None of our current receivers are gonna be Hall of Famers. Same could have been said about Reed entering the 1989 season. Entering his 5th year he didn’t have a HOF resume. He had one 900 yard season up to that point. 2 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 27 Posted October 27 16 minutes ago, HansLanda said: Waiting for the Ray Davis is Kenny Davis thread now. Davis runs more like Darick Holmes. I'd put Ty Johnson as the Wishlist Kenny Davis. 1 Quote
US Egg Posted October 27 Posted October 27 Point is moot being there is no Lofton/Reed like combo presently, nor a Thurman. Quote
strive_for_five_guy Posted October 27 Posted October 27 5 minutes ago, US Egg said: Point is moot being there is no Lofton/Reed like combo present, nor a Thurman. We may have a Norwood though. 1 1 9 2 Quote
HansLanda Posted October 27 Posted October 27 11 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Davis runs more like Darick Holmes. I'd put Ty Johnson as the Wishlist Kenny Davis. For a second I thought you mentioned Da'Rick Rogers...Legend. Quote
T master Posted October 27 Posted October 27 After what Cooper has done for Coleman by taking some pressure away from him to allow him his first 100 yd game if Coleman continues on his upward trajectory he could be on his way to a HOF career only time will tell ... Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 27 Posted October 27 25 minutes ago, HansLanda said: For a second I thought you mentioned Da'Rick Rogers...Legend. Maybe he's the true Amari Cooper comparison... Quote
folz Posted October 27 Posted October 27 1 hour ago, boyst said: Sir... Please check all sources. I believe you're wrong. Facts are facts, Jack. We have a future HOF right here. As I clicked your link, I thought for sure it was going to be a Peter Pan photo. 😊 1 Quote
NickelCity Posted October 27 Posted October 27 1 hour ago, T master said: After what Cooper has done for Coleman by taking some pressure away from him to allow him his first 100 yd game if Coleman continues on his upward trajectory he could be on his way to a HOF career only time will tell ... It's tempting to mention that Cooper wasn't on the field during any of Coleman's catches last week. 1 3 Quote
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 27 Posted October 27 2 hours ago, HansLanda said: Waiting for the Ray Davis is Kenny Davis thread now. That was already done in another thread Quote
folz Posted October 27 Posted October 27 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bill51390 said: Not really comparable. Bills had Lofton and Reed both Hall of Fame receivers then. None of our current receivers are gonna be Hall of Famers. 3 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: Every move the Bills make now has to have a parallel 90's team move though, make it fit!! And bring back all those hall of famers to be the position coaches already! 1 hour ago, US Egg said: Point is moot being there is no Lofton/Reed like combo presently, nor a Thurman. I'll defend the OP. Yes, some of us old heads like to draw parallels to the 90s teams at times. And many times, I'm sure, it is more wishful thinking rather than a solid comparison. But, I think the OP's comparison is a pretty fair one. Doesn't predict we'll see the same results, but it's definitely not an out-of-the-blue analogy. 1989 Jim Kelly: If you include his USFL years, Jim was in his 7th year and established as a very good QB in the league. James Lofton: Arrived to Buffalo in his 11th season with approx. 10,000 receiving yards under his belt. Thurman Thomas: Thurm was in his 2nd year, with approx. 1,100 yards from scrimmage the previous (rookie) year. Andre Reed: Reed was in his 5th year with 3,096 receiving yards in his basket. (avg. of 774 per season, not quite the HOFer yet). Kenny Davis: Played three seasons already, but in his first season with Buffalo, nice compliment back to Thurman. [Threw this one in for HansLanda 😉.] [Other weapons: TE Pete Metzellars, TE Keith McKeller, WR Don Beebe, WR Chris Burkett.] 2024 Josh Allen: In his 7th year and already established as one of the best QBs in the league. Amari Cooper: Comes to the Bills in his 10th year with close to 10,000 yards in his career. James Cook: Cook is in his 3rd year having just had approx. 1,500 yards from scrimmage the previous season. Khalil Shakir: Khalil is in his 3rd year with 1,086 receiving yards, with his snap count and production up significantly from his first two years. Ray Davis: Rookie year, so first year with the Bills, nice compliment to Cook. [Other weapons: TE Dalton Kincaid, TE Dawson Knox, WR Keon Coleman, WR Mack Hollins, WR Curtis Samuel.] It's not an outlandish comparison by any means...again, not predictive, but pretty similar in fact, with the 2024 team having a clear advantage in the "other weapons" department, and probably at the QB position also (Sorry Jim...I love you). Now whether Cooper, Cook, Shakir, and Coleman can match what Thurman, Reed, and Lofton did remains to be seen (and are lofty goals no doubt...no pun intended). But again, pretty fair comparison overall. Obviously, the other big question would be the offensive line. We have a very good line currently, but that 90s line was pretty special. If you compare the 1990 line (since Devlin retired after the '89 season) with this year's, at least the experience level is at about the same as it was when Lofton arrived. 1990 2024 LT Wolford 4th year Dion Dawkins 8th year LG Ritcher 10th year Edwards 6th year C Hull 4th year McGovern 5th year RG Davis 3rd year Torrence 2nd year RT Ballard 2nd year Brown 4th year 23 years 25 years Edited October 27 by folz 6 2 1 Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted October 27 Posted October 27 (edited) Why can’t Cook, Kincaid, Coleman, Cooper and Shakir build HOF resumes? Cooper adds another couple 1000 yards seasons he could easily be in the conversation. The others are still NFL kids. Coleman is just a rookie. Shakir is proving himself to be one of the best possession and YAC receivers in the NFL. It’s way pre-mature to put a ceiling on any if these guys careers. Edited October 27 by GASabresIUFan 2 1 1 Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted October 27 Posted October 27 1 hour ago, NickelCity said: It's tempting to mention that Cooper wasn't on the field during any of Coleman's catches last week. It is tempting... Glad you didn't go there! Quote
NickelCity Posted October 27 Posted October 27 21 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: It is tempting... Glad you didn't go there! Discretion is the better part of valor. 1 1 Quote
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