Godwin injury ... hip drop???

[Breakout Squad]

2 hours ago, Sojourner said:

My next door neighbor is a Bucs fan and was talking to him on Wednesday afternoon about this. He’s not happy with Bowles. Believes that if the division wasn’t as bad as it has been since he took over from Arians that he would be in a job. Especially after this mess when your star receiver is out for a long period of time, you don’t risk the next best asset you have in meaningless play. 
 

Got to say I agree with him. 

Bowles is not a good Head Coach. 

[Kaenon]

3 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

I wonder if his team name is Bowles' Movement?

Username checks out haha 😆 

[Saxum]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They put in these rules to make the game safer (horse collar, hip drop, hit to a defenseless receiver, etc..). They are good rules and need to be enforced. No one wants to see Chris Godwin miss an extended period of time over something that could be prevented. 
 

I wish that there was a way to take playing time away from the offenders. If you get one of those penalties or a fine from one of those plays, it’s a warning. The 2nd offense is 1 game. The 3rd offense is 4 games. 4th offense is 8 games and 5th offense is a season. That will clean things up and prevent these senseless injuries. 

 

Until a Gregg Williams is coach defense and uses UDFAs to do telling them this is how you guarantee job and I have understanding with front office that they will compensate you for your missing game checks.

 

Some of the calls on field are wrong however as was on AJE's QB sack where he clearly landed on his arm to prevent putting full weight on QB.  At game speed I could see them getting it wrong which is why such penalties should be confirmed by a referee in video room.  Fortunately NFL realized it was wrong and did not fine him. 

[The Wiz]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

I've seen several this year that they never call. Why institute the rule and then make zero effort to enforce it?

To be able to fine players without impacting the game.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

When it comes to hip drop tackles, you know it when you see it. They stand out like a sore thumb.
 

As OP said, this looks like a regular play and tackle. This is not a hip drop. 
 

That said, I pretty much expect the league office will say it is a hip drop and issue a fine. 
 

But in my book, clean tackle here.

 

If I recall, Allen was tackled week one or two I think on a play that was maybe, kind of, sort of a hip drop tackle. It certainly looked more hip dropish than this tackle on Godwin.But no flag or fine was given for the play. Which again I agreed with because hip drop tackles will be obvious. There is not maybe when you see them.

[MJS]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

To be able to fine players without impacting the game.

All the fines go to charity. I don't think that is a motivating factor.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-fines-ravens-lb-roquan-smith-over-16k-hip-drop-tackle-ended-chris-godwin-season

 

Wonder with this high profile injury if the league will instruct officials to start calling a penalty more frequently??

[Sierra Foothills]

18 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

When it comes to hip drop tackles, you know it when you see it. They stand out like a sore thumb.
 

As OP said, this looks like a regular play and tackle. This is not a hip drop. 
 

That said, I pretty much expect the league office will say it is a hip drop and issue a fine. 
 

But in my book, clean tackle here.

 

If I recall, Allen was tackled week one or two I think on a play that was maybe, kind of, sort of a hip drop tackle. It certainly looked more hip dropish than this tackle on Godwin.But no flag or fine was given for the play. Which again I agreed with because hip drop tackles will be obvious. There is not maybe when you see them.

 

Firstly I'm not arguing with you. I would say that the only camera angle available seems pretty inconclusive.

 

Here it is slowed down and blown up:

 

 

It seems like Roquan possibly "unweights" himself over Godwin's lower body which is one of the criteria for a hip drop tackle.

 

 

 

[Sierra Foothills]

23 hours ago, Sojourner said:

My next door neighbor is a Bucs fan and was talking to him on Wednesday afternoon about this. He’s not happy with Bowles. Believes that if the division wasn’t as bad as it has been since he took over from Arians that he would be in a job. Especially after this mess when your star receiver is out for a long period of time, you don’t risk the next best asset you have in meaningless play. 
 

Got to say I agree with him. 

 

I agree but it's not totally black and white.

 

In this case and the case of the Vikings at the end of the first half when Darrisaw was injured (he's now out for the season), there was a miniscule chance that playing to score could change the outcome of the game.

 

That said the odds are so stacked against that it's not worth trying IMO.

 

[Sojourner]

12 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

I agree but it's not totally black and white.

 

In this case and the case of the Vikings at the end of the first half when Darrisaw was injured (he's now out for the season), there was a miniscule chance that playing to score could change the outcome of the game.

 

That said the odds are so stacked against that it's not worth trying IMO.

 

Yeah, that is a great counterpoint. There is a grey area with any decision as we aren’t the ones forced to make the decision in real time under the microscope of a sport, let alone prime time scheduling. Hindsight is always 20/20 for coaches and fans lol
 

Just sucks that astar WR for one team and a quality LT for another will miss the season because of an unnecessary decision by their coaches.