Godwin injury ... hip drop???

[Ethan in Cleveland]

NFL appears to be investigating the Godwin tackle for hip drop. Because they didn't replay it, I had not see the full video until today. Seems like a bang bang play. The still shot certainly is incriminating for a hip drop technique but when you watch full speed it's hard to tell.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nfl/article-13990077/NFL-review-hip-drop-tackle-Chris-Godwin-ankle-injury.html?ico=related-replace

 

What do others think?

Edited October 25 by Ethan in Cleveland

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

They never call it. I wonder why they bothered to put it in. Seems like they listened to all the complaining from defensive players and  let it go.

[US Egg]

 So it's on the level of shoulder to head hits? Oh boy!   

[Sojourner]

My next door neighbor is a Bucs fan and was talking to him on Wednesday afternoon about this. He’s not happy with Bowles. Believes that if the division wasn’t as bad as it has been since he took over from Arians that he would be in a job. Especially after this mess when your star receiver is out for a long period of time, you don’t risk the next best asset you have in meaningless play. 
 

Got to say I agree with him. 

[Kaenon]

7 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

My next door neighbor is a Bucs fan and was talking to him on Wednesday afternoon about this. He’s not happy with Bowles. Believes that if the division wasn’t as bad as it has been since he took over from Arians that he would be in a job. Especially after this mess when your star receiver is out for a long period of time, you don’t risk the next best asset you have in meaningless play. 
 

Got to say I agree with him. 

Maybe Bowles has Godwin in Fantasy 😇 

[Simon]

Roquan Smith is getting fined for that one.

[BarleyNY]

That is a blow to one of my FF teams. 

[benderbender]

Smith is number 0. This isn't the All 22 angle so unless they're seeing something different, nothing on the broadcast indicates he grabs him and then proceeds to drop his weight.

 

[Sojourner]

1 minute ago, benderbender said:

Smith is number 0. This isn't the All 22 angle so unless they're seeing something different, nothing on the broadcast indicates he grabs him and then proceeds to drop his weight.

 

Honestly, if I ruined the season of a colleague I’d happily pay that fine. 
 

Except John from maintenance. He sucks. 

[Royale with Cheese]

23 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

They never call it. I wonder why they bothered to put it in. Seems like they listened to all the complaining from defensive players and  let it go.

 

At some point, you have to let the defense play the game....they are at risk to get hurt too.

We protect the offensive players way too much....it's football.

 

I understand horse collar and direct helmet to helmet but others like the roughing the passer where you can't put any weight on the QB....that's ruining the game.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

They never call it. I wonder why they bothered to put it in. Seems like they listened to all the complaining from defensive players and  let it go.

I've seen several this year that they never call. Why institute the rule and then make zero effort to enforce it?

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

At some point, you have to let the defense play the game....they are at risk to get hurt too.

We protect the offensive players way too much....it's football.

 

I understand horse collar and direct helmet to helmet but others like the roughing the passer where you can't put any weight on the QB....that's ruining the game.

Hip drop tackles are more dangerous than classic horse collar tackles. They are in a very similar category of tackle, though.

[Royale with Cheese]

16 minutes ago, MJS said:

I've seen several this year that they never call. Why institute the rule and then make zero effort to enforce it?

Hip drop tackles are more dangerous than classic horse collar tackles. They are in a very similar category of tackle, though.

Yes but aren’t offensive lineman allowed to block below the waist within 5 yards?  Isn’t that dangerous?

[Kirby Jackson]

They put in these rules to make the game safer (horse collar, hip drop, hit to a defenseless receiver, etc..). They are good rules and need to be enforced. No one wants to see Chris Godwin miss an extended period of time over something that could be prevented. 
 

I wish that there was a way to take playing time away from the offenders. If you get one of those penalties or a fine from one of those plays, it’s a warning. The 2nd offense is 1 game. The 3rd offense is 4 games. 4th offense is 8 games and 5th offense is a season. That will clean things up and prevent these senseless injuries. 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Kaenon said:

Maybe Bowles has Godwin in Fantasy 😇 

I wonder if his team name is Bowles' Movement?

[MJS]

22 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Yes but aren’t offensive lineman allowed to block below the waist within 5 yards?  Isn’t that dangerous?

Sure, but not as dangerous as hop drop tackles. It's almost a guarantee ankle injury every single time.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

45 minutes ago, MJS said:

I've seen several this year that they never call. Why institute the rule and then make zero effort to enforce it?

Hip drop tackles are more dangerous than classic horse collar tackles. They are in a very similar category of tackle, though.

Agreed. Josh was tackled with classic hip drop I think in the Texans game and it was not called.

This was more bang bang and I can see why there was no flag. 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

Sure, but not as dangerous as hop drop tackles. It's almost a guarantee ankle injury every single time.

 

It's a higher rate of injury but it's not close to a guarantee every single time.  This was a common tackle that just recently got banned because of the Mark Andrews injury.  Just like the horse collar with TO in 2005.

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It's a higher rate of injury but it's not close to a guarantee every single time.  This was a common tackle that just recently got banned because of the Mark Andrews injury.  Just like the horse collar with TO in 2005.

No, it has not been common. It is a new way to tackle that came over from rugby (where it was also banned). It requires grabbing the player, leaving your feet, and launching your body into the back of their legs.

 

It is very new to the NFL. A few years ago it was not a thing. And it has not been common even today. I don't remember the numbers, but the number of instances have been very low, something like once a game or something.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, MJS said:

No, it has not been common. It is a new way to tackle that came over from rugby (where it was also banned). It requires grabbing the player, leaving your feet, and launching your body into the back of their legs.

 

It is very new to the NFL. A few years ago it was not a thing. And it has not been common even today. I don't remember the numbers, but the number of instances have been very low, something like once a game or something.

How was it done in HS in the late 90’s but not in the NFL until a few years ago?

[buffaloboyinATL]

If they really wanted to eliminate the hip drop tackle, they would enforce it the same way college enforces targeting.  Instead, they turned it into a fund raiser. Take money from the players, rather than enforce it on the field? 
 

They know that players are willing to take that risk. They would be much less willing if they risk hurting their team via their ejection. THAT would be protecting the players, and would make it happen less often. 
 

The NFL is trying to protect the shield, more than they are protecting the players on this one.