stuvian Posted Saturday at 03:27 PM Share Posted Saturday at 03:27 PM always liked these QBs as nominees into the Hall of Very Good Trent Green Donovan McNabb Jeff Garcia Dave Krieg Dante Culpepper Tony Romo Never understood what the fuss over Boomer Esiason was about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted Saturday at 03:41 PM Share Posted Saturday at 03:41 PM On 10/25/2024 at 6:40 AM, dpberr said: Others to consider: Tommy Maddox in Pittsburgh Jim Harbaugh in Indianapolis Kerry Collins in Tennessee Vinny Testaverde. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted Saturday at 05:45 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:45 PM On 10/25/2024 at 9:34 AM, The Jokeman said: What about Brett Favre in Green Bay? Favre wasn't a "bust" in Atlanta for his one year there. He was a rookie backing up a starter who went 10-6, won a WC game that year. He can't be on this list. On 10/25/2024 at 9:54 AM, SoTier said: Flutie was never a bust. He chose to play in the CFL because he realized he'd never get a chance in the NFL because he was considered too small. His situation was much like Warren Moon who also chose the CFL because he didn't want to play any position but QB and knew he wouldn't get that chance. Both had great careers in the CFL before coming into the NFL and proving themselves. Flutie was certainly a bust before he went to the CFL--not able to do much on 2 different teams. He was 8-5 as a starter in NE, but he wasn't productive and threw more INT than TD. On 10/25/2024 at 11:35 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said: And the bolded part is why I think NFL teams need to re-evaluate the way they do things. It’s absolutely insane to me that a guy who is as young & physically gifted as Trey Lance is fighting for a spot in the NFL while trash journeyman like Josh Johnson seem to always get picked up. Johnson is 1-8 all time, sub 60% completion, 13/16 TD/INT ratio, and is 38 years old! And you would think with stats like that he would be able to run, but he can’t do that either! 😆 You’re telling me teams value THAT over a dual threat who’s only 24, a .500 record as a starter, and more TDs than picks? It really makes no sense to me how teams will again & again trot out a proven loser instead of taking a chance on the unknown. what is the NFL supposed to do with guys like Trey Lance, who prove to be good college QBs, but no good in the NFL? 1st round QBs famously bust out for a variety of reasons: can't handle the speed of the game, they get injured or they are just too dumb to play the NFL game. Lance may be all 3... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxum Posted Saturday at 05:53 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:53 PM 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: what is the NFL supposed to do with guys like Trey Lance, who prove to be good college QBs, but no good in the NFL? 1st round QBs famously bust out for a variety of reasons: can't handle the speed of the game, they get injured or they are just too dumb to play the NFL game. Lance may be all 3... Turn them into chalkboard QBs who helps keep DBs in shape but more cost effective to make them interns. Oops forgot about the dumb part but dumb may just be decisions on field not knowledge of game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted Sunday at 12:12 AM Share Posted Sunday at 12:12 AM On 10/25/2024 at 10:55 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Daboll was hired during his 2nd year I believe. Besides the Josh Allen pick itself, this might’ve been the most important move made by the McBeane regime. Quite literally the textbook definition of how to develop a raw, physically gifted QB prospect and Daboll did a masterful job. I like that he took on more of a “‘mentor” role instead of trying to be all buddy/buddy. Listening to past interviews, Allen mentions time & time again how important Daboll was to his success. I guess you don't remember the story where the Bills were traveling to meet Allen before the draft in Terry's plane & they hit such bad turbulence that Daboll called his wife fearing he might not make it home alive. Not only was Daboll here before Allen, but he was involved in the QB interviews & workouts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted Sunday at 01:05 AM Share Posted Sunday at 01:05 AM On 10/25/2024 at 9:54 AM, SoTier said: Flutie was never a bust. He chose to play in the CFL because he realized he'd never get a chance in the NFL because he was considered too small. His situation was much like Warren Moon who also chose the CFL because he didn't want to play any position but QB and knew he wouldn't get that chance. Both had great careers in the CFL before coming into the NFL and proving themselves. Absolutely true. Under the control of the Bills' Evil Genius Russ Brandon, the Bills offensive coaching staff was sketchy at best when they drafted Allen. The Bills "QB coach" in 2018 was a guy who hadn't actually coached QBs in 20 years, and only did that for a year on the college level. Brandon was fired in May, 2018, and Beane was given full GM powers. After the 2018 season, all of the offensive coaches except Daboll were fired and Ken Dorsey was hired as Allen's QB coach. The rest, as they say, is history but it could have been very different for Allen, too. Smith, Baker and Darnold all were drafted by substandard, perhaps even dysfunctional, organizations. Hell, the Jests under Woody Johnson, can't even put together a good team with one of the greatest QBs playing for them. What chance did Smith and Darnold really have with them? Once a high round QB fails for his original team, he's generally relegated to backup status. Smith, Baker, and Darnold all spent time as backups under great coaches with excellent assistants (Carroll, McVay and Shanihan) and emerged as better QBs for it. Once again, coaching matters. Flutie played for the patriots before going to the cfl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted Sunday at 01:09 AM Share Posted Sunday at 01:09 AM 9 hours ago, stuvian said: always liked these QBs as nominees into the Hall of Very Good Trent Green Donovan McNabb Jeff Garcia Dave Krieg Dante Culpepper Tony Romo Never understood what the fuss over Boomer Esiason was about Not sure about the "fuss" but he was league MVP and went to the SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted Sunday at 02:23 AM Share Posted Sunday at 02:23 AM Time for Rosen to give it another go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted Sunday at 03:07 AM Share Posted Sunday at 03:07 AM I think a lot of it haas to do with coaching ! The Bills saw a couple of good QB's that came through here that i think could have been better if their coaching as a young player could have been better but because of that they didn't have very long NFL careers . IMHO Losman, EJ, Edmunds could have been better and had longer NFL careers if their coaches were better for them . Each of them showed flashes while at the helm for the Bills but went down hill fairly fast due to their handling . Not only are those QB's no longer playing but those coaches didn't do much after they were done in Buffalo ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxum Posted Sunday at 03:11 AM Share Posted Sunday at 03:11 AM 47 minutes ago, Talley56 said: Time for Rosen to give it another go. Last time Rosen gave it a go there were electrical outages. Oh I thought you meant @JÂy RÛßeÒ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted Sunday at 04:43 AM Share Posted Sunday at 04:43 AM Tough task but I'm pulling for Ridder in LV. Give his emotional interview a watch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted Sunday at 07:27 AM Share Posted Sunday at 07:27 AM (edited) Probably already mentioned, but it's pretty wild to see 4 of the 2018 draft class QBs in the top 6 in passer rating as of today. Where's Josh Rosen these days? Edit: just looked it up...he's at Wharton business school. Good for him. Edited Sunday at 07:31 AM by TheBrownBear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted Sunday at 10:51 AM Author Share Posted Sunday at 10:51 AM 20 hours ago, Beck Water said: That's hysterical. So Jim Kelly's face is tougher than Harbaugh's hand. I love how Jim doubled down when Harbaugh showed up. “I call it how I see it” 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted Sunday at 05:12 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:12 PM On 10/25/2024 at 9:54 AM, SoTier said: Flutie was never a bust. He chose to play in the CFL because he realized he'd never get a chance in the NFL because he was considered too small. His situation was much like Warren Moon who also chose the CFL because he didn't want to play any position but QB and knew he wouldn't get that chance. Both had great careers in the CFL before coming into the NFL and proving themselves. Absolutely true. Under the control of the Bills' Evil Genius Russ Brandon, the Bills offensive coaching staff was sketchy at best when they drafted Allen. The Bills "QB coach" in 2018 was a guy who hadn't actually coached QBs in 20 years, and only did that for a year on the college level. Brandon was fired in May, 2018, and Beane was given full GM powers. After the 2018 season, all of the offensive coaches except Daboll were fired and Ken Dorsey was hired as Allen's QB coach. The rest, as they say, is history but it could have been very different for Allen, too. Smith, Baker and Darnold all were drafted by substandard, perhaps even dysfunctional, organizations. Hell, the Jests under Woody Johnson, can't even put together a good team with one of the greatest QBs playing for them. What chance did Smith and Darnold really have with them? Once a high round QB fails for his original team, he's generally relegated to backup status. Smith, Baker, and Darnold all spent time as backups under great coaches with excellent assistants (Carroll, McVay and Shanihan) and emerged as better QBs for it. Once again, coaching matters. To use a phrase some dislike, a fair number of QBs have likely been ruined, by organizations that had / have no real clue on how to acclimate their high pick QBs into the NFL, or build an O - line that had even a chance in hell to protect their investment, yes some of them were just bad, but I would venture to guess that something around 15-20 percent that “failed” could very well have become decent game managers, or better if they had been drafted into organizations that had the know how to bring them along, sadly, there is still a lot of square peg in the round hole thinking amongst team HCs and GMs…, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted Sunday at 05:53 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:53 PM On 10/26/2024 at 1:45 PM, Mr. WEO said: Flutie was certainly a bust before he went to the CFL--not able to do much on 2 different teams. He was 8-5 as a starter in NE, but he wasn't productive and threw more INT than TD. How can an 11th round (#285) round pick ever be a bust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted Sunday at 08:00 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:00 PM 2 hours ago, SoTier said: How can an 11th round (#285) round pick ever be a bust? the topic is guys who washed out then came back. The other poster insinuated he had a decent career before he went to CFL. he didn’t. He busted out of the league… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxum Posted Sunday at 08:06 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:06 PM 2 hours ago, SoTier said: How can an 11th round (#285) round pick ever be a bust? Well if player goes in NFL Hall of Fame he will be a bust...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted Monday at 02:26 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:26 PM (edited) 20 hours ago, SoTier said: How can an 11th round (#285) round pick ever be a bust? The only reason he was a late round pick was he signed with the USFL before the NFL draft. Getting back to QBs coming back from busting, we might have to add Winston to the list if he continues to play like he did yesterday for Cleveland. Edited Monday at 02:30 PM by Albany,n.y. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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