Andy Reid: Myth or Mahomes

[Chicken Boo]

On 10/27/2024 at 2:33 PM, SaulGoodman said:

 

Interesting. I seem to remember him winning MVP and SB MVP with Juju Smith-Schuster and MVS as his top WRs. And another SB MVP with scrub WRs last year. 

 

As for the excuses, let's not forget that he was playing on a high ankle sprain throughout the entire '22 playoff run, and that MVS was (by far) his best WR available in the '22 AFCC. Or that he had a third string OL in the 2020 playoffs and weak tackles/WRs the last two years, and has never been supported by an above average running game in the playoffs. 

 

I've never said that Mahomes is "on another level," btw. But I do think he's proven to be better. Largely due to the mental aspects of the game and his drive to win. 

 

They want to take this 1 season and forget about all the others leading up this point.

 

Imagine if the accolades were reversed and you had Chiefs fans arguing that their QB, that has won nothing, was better or greater than the Bills QB that has 2 league MVPs, 3 Rings and 3 Super Bowl MVPs. 

 

It's ridiculous.  Josh needs to win one or he's going to be in that Marino/Phillip Rivers tier.  A hard truth.

[Dr.Sack]

On 10/29/2024 at 12:30 AM, SaulGoodman said:

 

You judge the success of an offense purely by PPG? And you think they just happened to score exactly enough to win each of the last 13, vs the best the league has to offer? Lol.

 

The offense will score what's needed. If the defense is allowing under 18 ppg, why would they need to score more than 25? Reid's never been one to run up the score, and he gets very conservative when up double digits. This is nothing new.

 

Even looking at ppg alone, they're currently sitting at 9th and just added Hopkins. Not my definition of a "poverty" offense. I wouldn't expect any offense to average 30 per after losing most of their best skill players. But Hollywood Brown, Pacheco and Smith-Schuster should all be back by the postseason.

Give Mahomes this Bills run defense. I beg you. 

[GunnerBill]

On 10/29/2024 at 9:30 AM, SaulGoodman said:

 

You judge the success of an offense purely by PPG? And you think they just happened to score exactly enough to win each of the last 13, vs the best the league has to offer? Lol.

 

The offense will score what's needed. If the defense is allowing under 18 ppg, why would they need to score more than 25? Reid's never been one to run up the score, and he gets very conservative when up double digits. This is nothing new.

 

Even looking at ppg alone, they're currently sitting at 9th and just added Hopkins. Not my definition of a "poverty" offense. I wouldn't expect any offense to average 30 per after losing most of their best skill players. But Hollywood Brown, Pacheco and Smith-Schuster should all be back by the postseason.

 

I thought Brown was done for the year?

[ganesh]

The chiefs run defense has give up 550+ yards rushing...The Bills defense has give 1100+ yards rushing....(Twice).....That is a big difference

[SaulGoodman]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I thought Brown was done for the year?

There might be a possibility of that, but lately I’ve been hearing there’s a good chance he’ll be back before the end of the regular season.

[Sweats]

On 10/27/2024 at 5:55 PM, Success said:

 

I've never seen anyone shift the goalposts as much as you consistently do.

 

 

 

 

I'm just going to start calling him "Shifty".

[SaulGoodman]

12 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Give Mahomes this Bills run defense. I beg you. 

 

Mahomes has had mediocre/bad defense for most of his career, including an awful run defense for years. 

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Mahomes has had mediocre/bad defense for most of his career, including an awful run defense for years. 

He's had top 10 scoring defenses in five of his 7 years played 

 

Including top 5 defenses the last 2 years 

 

He's always had defenses that played up to their competition not down for the most part ... First year the defense wasn't good

 

They don't mind giving up some yards between the twenties like the bills but they don't allow a lot of points for most of his career

Edited November 4 by Buffalo716

[90sBills]

12 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Give Mahomes this Bills run defense. I beg you. 

If memory serves Mahomes had the worst or thereabouts defense statistically his first year starting. He carried that team to the AFC Championship Game and lost to the Pats. 
 

Great QBs like Mahomes can overcome bad defenses. Likewise with Allen. I believe Allen can and will overcome any defensive deficiencies one day. It might be this postseason. 

[BullBuchanan]

On 10/24/2024 at 9:16 PM, DeepPass said:

I get a bit tired of hearing Andy is the BEST NFL Coach. He's coached 26 years as a Head Coach with a career record of 264-144-1.  A winning record of .647%

 

He failed at every Super Bowl opportunity BEFORE drafting Patrick Mahomes in 2018.  In 2019, with Mahomes really running the show., Andy got his 1st Super Bowl win.  The rest is history.

 

Sean McDermott is 78-43 in Buffalo.  That's a 645% winning record.  Josh Allen isn't as good as Mahomes.  I wish he was !  Mahomes just plays the game at a different level.

 

The day will come when the Bills win a Super Bow with Sean!!

It's the best winning percentage in the salary cap era. Not sure how much better you can be.

[Mark Vader]

On 10/24/2024 at 7:37 PM, hondo in seattle said:

In the years before Mahomes, how strong was his roster?    Why would we expect him to win Lombardis pre Mahomes if he didn’t have the league’s best players?

 

Reid, if he was an average coach, should have a .500 record and one ring.   He’s significantly outpacing the expectations of probability which suggests he’s a very talented coach.   Yep he has Spags and Mahomes but he hired Spags and optimized Mahomes production and therefore deserves credit.

This sums it up, right here.

 

Reid chose Mahomes, not the other way around. II doubt that Mahomes would be have had the success in the NFL if he weren't teamed up with one of the best offensive coaches in the league.