Andy Reid: Myth or Mahomes

[Sojourner]

Just now, CoudyBills said:

Win percentage is exactly how you compare non-like samples.  

Sure. 
 

409 vs. 121 is a fair comparison. 
 

Nice that you believe Sean would go 186-102 over the next 16/17 seasons on the basis of his current record. 
 

[Einstein]

50 minutes ago, uninja said:

Spags was also partly, if not largely, responsible for NY’s two SB wins over NE. 

 

The sooner he gets a HC job, the better.

[Governor]

Reid is light years ahead of Sean but he’s got those rings because he hired Spagnuola. In each of those games there were crucial defensive stops made at the end. Basically what I’m saying is that Reid needed the best DC to overcome and safeguard against his dumb game day decisions and yearly melt-downs to actually get it done. He gets credit for acknowledging that and doing that.

 

We don’t have that luxury since our HC is also our defense and scheme so we’re doomed unless Sean hands it all over to someone else and remains HC only, since Sean’s defense sucks.

Edited October 25 by Governor

[transplantbillsfan]

Mahomes: Myth or Andy Reid...

[US Egg]

It’s not like Mahomes was gift wrapped and given to Reid.

 

I kid, I kid.

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, DeepPass said:

I get a bit tired of hearing Andy is the BEST NFL Coach. He's coached 26 years as a Head Coach with a career record of 264-144-1.  A winning record of .647%

 

He failed at every Super Bowl opportunity BEFORE drafting Patrick Mahomes in 2018.  In 2019, with Mahomes really running the show., Andy got his 1st Super Bowl win.  The rest is history.

 

Sean McDermott is 78-43 in Buffalo.  That's a 645% winning record.  Josh Allen isn't as good as Mahomes.  I wish he was !  Mahomes just plays the game at a different level.

 

The day will come when the Bills win a Super Bow with Sean!!

Is that you, @jkirchofer?

[Nihilarian]

Its Reid. No other QB from an "air Raid scheme has amounted to anything near Mahomes. Let's not forget that ole Patty boy sat for a year behind QB Alex Smith and the Chiefs were already a playoff team.

 

In 2013, they were 11-5 in Reid's first year in KC.

 2014. 9-7 Smith was injured and only played in 8 games.

2015, 11-5

2016, 12-4

2017, 10-6

2018. 12-4 Mahomes first year starting.

 

That's in Reid's first six seasons with no SBs. However, since then, it's been playoffs every season with 4 SBs, winning 3. The roadblocks prior to 2019 were mostly the NE Patriots and Tom Brady. The roadblocks for Buffalo have been mostly the KC Chiefs.

 

Yes, Patrick Mahomes is special. However, I think Josh Allen means more to Buffalo than Mahomes does to KC. 

 

 

[DrPJax]

47 minutes ago, DeepPass said:

I get a bit tired of hearing Andy is the BEST NFL Coach. He's coached 26 years as a Head Coach with a career record of 264-144-1.  A winning record of .647%

 

He failed at every Super Bowl opportunity BEFORE drafting Patrick Mahomes in 2018.  In 2019, with Mahomes really running the show., Andy got his 1st Super Bowl win.  The rest is history.

 

Sean McDermott is 78-43 in Buffalo.  That's a 645% winning record.  Josh Allen isn't as good as Mahomes.  I wish he was !  Mahomes just plays the game at a different level.

 

The day will come when the Bills win a Super Bow with Sean!!

     What’s your point , you’re tired of seeing a good TEAM , WITH A GOOD GM , WITH A GREAT QB, CREATIVE HC PLAYCALLER , WITH GOOD SUPPORT ON BIT BOTH  SIDES OF THE BALL , WIN. MORE THAN OTHERS ?  We witnessed this before as a combination with the pats. It’s not a unicorn. 
 

     I’ll let you chose which elements the BILLS have never put all together.  How about rather than winning percentage , what is the HC. record in the playoff, where one has never even reached the SB , LET ALONE even getting a chance to lose one. It may even take getting to more than one to win one. Which coach took two different franchises in both the AFC  / NFC to that game ?   With different qbs ,one with mcnabb, who was much less talented than JOSH!   One keeps winning home field advantage , winning with new receivers ( 6-0)  like Hopkins, smith schuster , a rookie , etfc, while the other has already dropped two games off the home field advantage race with one of the worst wr corps prior to trading ( another pattern repeated).  Which guy , HC , has multiple named clutch losses ( 13 seconds, hail Murray, losing wit 21 secinds in Houston and before that blew a first half 16 point lead in the playoffs ) ?  Which HC / team has traded or jumped the other to get mahomes, mcduffie, worthy , yet was creative with a certain unstoppable tight end , a player nicknamed the cheetah, and allows players to have input with “ merry go round plays “ , laterals off completed catches that actually was for a td but one idiot lined up Offside saving our ciach another embarrassment?  
 

     Sorry , I dont care how close their won loss percentages are in the reg season ; one is on the verge of a 3 peat SB TRIFECTA, while the other has.made ONE AFC CHAMPIOVSHIP APPEARANCE , only to not yet even sniff that level with a home playoff loss to the other HC, who just knows how to win.  Meanwhile we lose winnable games ( Texans) , and even a Bills fan , orlovsky , points out uncreative use of motion / play action , a all while emphasizing a DL that is terrible against the run and lacks a finishing sack artist.  All this even while we see our prior 3 rd round dl get dropped from even a tire fire team leaving us to rely on an aging superstar well past his prime , who abuses women and misses many more games than he has played. 
 

   Yet you have the cajones to criticize the more successful coach ( who will be a hof coach) , part of a great organization that mark my words , will revive Hopkins season as they coach to players strengths ,  and unless a team steps up , and you are stating it’s a fact that Sean will bring home a SB despite no evidence he can win against a better HC in Reid , and it’s a moot point about him having mahomes.  Mcd gave him to reid , and it’s a locked in fact that Reid / mahomes are like Brady / Belicheck , without the cheating and actually still being likeable men ( I met Andy Reid at the time of the eagles / pats Super Bowl at the Nike  SB party on the beach two nights prior to the game , as NIKE RENTED  A WHOLE Hotel  , THE CASA MARINA ON JAX BEACH IF You WANT TO RESEARCH it , and we talked in line at the buffet !  He knew me from no one and was so friendly, funny , affable and it was a great nite. That nite my other fav player I met and talked with at that event was Warwick Dunn, and he was smaller than me at 5’9” , yet a great rb and philanthropist.  Kelly , Jerry rice , were there but surrounded by body guards and a bevy of hotties! But I digress).   Despite all the facts , I greatly resoect Mcd as.a man and coach.  I’m not willing to say he will bring home a Lombardi , it’s show me time game by game from now on and not blind acceptance    Things like home field in the playoffs matter , they get to the SB MORE. often and that’s where Sean needs to be , not just getting in because his playoff record on the road is abysmal, like his OT record.  
 

    I’m just kidding a lot  of course , but unfortunately we are not the best team or organization yet , but I hope the bills get one, yet in reality , 

i just lost my 98 year old mom on sept 28th , who attended SB 28 with my dad and I  in ATL.  Sadly , she never did see the Bills. Win one in her lifetime. I’m 67 and time is running out.  Reid knows how to win , when it counts. 31 other coaches envy him , including McD .    Which would  you rather have coach Allen right here , right now?  Lol  Right now it’s pretty much heavily leaning in Reid’s favor , but maybe Mcd will learn like he promises.
     He has had a more favorable starting position than Reid did , as mcnabb was never close to Allen or mahomes.  Mcd is a good coach , certainly  he is not close to being a hof candidate. Hell, I think Tomlin would do better with Allen than McD.   But he’s honorable and like able and it’s not just about Lombardi trophies if you’re an owner.  it’s consistency because there are few who can win consistently.  Will he win a SB,,, MAYBE , but right now he is just not close to Reid , I don’t care what win percentages are. Experience counts , and just like Reid , Sean may not get one here. He would do well to be 26 years in the nfl , and still be a likeable guy like Reid. Don’t try to raise Sean by diminishing a coach like Reid , who is one of the best in the league.   Maybe this is the year?   ( Lions, Chiefs, 49 ers , Seahawks , and the jets still are tough games that will define mcds 8 th season) Enjoy every year cuz they roll by fast.   Go BILLS.   I hope it happens while we both are here to enjoy the moment!  
 

[RobbRiddick]

4 hours ago, DeepPass said:

I get a bit tired of hearing Andy is the BEST NFL Coach. He's coached 26 years as a Head Coach with a career record of 264-144-1.  A winning record of .647%

 

He failed at every Super Bowl opportunity BEFORE drafting Patrick Mahomes in 2018.  In 2019, with Mahomes really running the show., Andy got his 1st Super Bowl win.  The rest is history.

 

Sean McDermott is 78-43 in Buffalo.  That's a 645% winning record.  Josh Allen isn't as good as Mahomes.  I wish he was !  Mahomes just plays the game at a different level.

 

The day will come when the Bills win a Super Bow with Sean!!

Nice to have more Chiefs fans here! 

 

 

[Saxum]

4 hours ago, DeepPass said:

I get a bit tired of hearing Andy is the BEST NFL Coach. He's coached 26 years as a Head Coach with a career record of 264-144-1.  A winning record of .647%

 

He failed at every Super Bowl opportunity BEFORE drafting Patrick Mahomes in 2018.  In 2019, with Mahomes really running the show., Andy got his 1st Super Bowl win.  The rest is history.

 

Sean McDermott is 78-43 in Buffalo.  That's a 64.5% winning record.  Josh Allen isn't as good as Mahomes.  I wish he was !  Mahomes just plays the game at a different level.

 

The day will come when the Bills win a Super Bow with Sean!!

 

You are making Reid to be same as Beli-CHEAT who was only successful when T*m Br*dy became QB but his cheatsheet Ernie Adams was more important.

 

And your math is wrong on McDermott's winning record. Decimal point forgotten and rounding error.

[QB Bills]

Swap Allen for Mahomes and the Chiefs probably never lose another game.

[Doc Brown]

It's like the Brady/Belichick debate.  The main difference being Belichick earned his stripes on defense before Brady arrived and Reid earned his stripes on offense before Mahomes arrived.  Both did well at assembling coordinators for the opposite side of their expertise.  

[hondo in seattle]

4 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Spags has an all time great DC resume. He's in an amazing spot. 

 

Handful of SB rings he was a huge part of winning, known as one of the best at what he does, can focus on D and not have the pressure and scrutiny of the head man, tons of money in the bank, beloved by fans, and 100% security in his gig. 

 

Alternative is HC of a losing team with no QB and having someone else run the D. 

 

This is where McD struggles.

 

Reid found a stud to run the other side  of the ball.

McD has gone through Dennison, Daboll, Dorsey, and Brady to run the other side of the ball.  No continuity.  And none are the stud at what they do that Spags is.  

[hondo in seattle]

4 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Allen is every bit as good as Mahomes.  

 

What Allen does not have is a version of himself on defense like Mahomes has in Chris Jones who takes over and makes game changing plays late in the 4th quarter in big playoff games.

 

Also, have you watched Mahomes most of the last year and a half?  He has sucked in at least half of those games.

 

I think some people overrate Mahomes.

But I also think he's still better than Allen - not in his physical skills but in his decision making.  

 

Allen can make every throw that Mahomes makes and when he's on his game, he's amazing.  But we've heard it from Kurt Warner, Greg Cosell, and a myriad other ex-NFL quarterbacks and film gurus: Allen needs to be smarter with the ball.  He needs to get the ball out "on schedule" as Warner says.  He's got to hit his primary when open on a seven yard dig instead of waiting to see  if something better develops.  Allen's gridiron  greed hurts his efficiency.  

[Doc Brown]

6 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

This is where McD struggles.

 

Reid found a stud to run the other side  of the ball.

McD has gone through Dennison, Daboll, Dorsey, and Brady to run the other side of the ball.  No continuity.  And none are the stud at what they do that Spags is.  

Reid's offenses are stronger in the playoffs than the regular season though.  McDermott's defenses have come up small in the biggest games.  That's a fact until McD proves otherwise.

[hondo in seattle]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

Reid's offenses are stronger in the playoffs than the regular season though.  McDermott's defenses have come up small in the biggest games.  That's a fact until McD proves otherwise.

 

This is true.  But we'd had some serious injury issues on D the past two years.  

 

If we enter this year's playoffs healthy, I expect the D to perform competently despite not having the strongest defensive roster.

 

[Dr.Sack]

Let’s rank em: I get KC favored by 2 on a neutral site, 3 at AH, Even at OP.

 

Leadership: KC -2

•GM - Even 

•HC - KC -1

•OC - KC -1

•DC - Even

OFF - Bills +3
•QB - Even

•RB - Bills +1

•WR - Bills +1

•TE - Bills +1

•OL - Even

 

DEF - KC -2
•DL - Even

•LB - KC -1

•SEC - KC -1

 

ST - KC -1

•P - Even

•K - KC -1

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo Junction]

31 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

This is where McD struggles.

 

Reid found a stud to run the other side  of the ball.

McD has gone through Dennison, Daboll, Dorsey, and Brady to run the other side of the ball.  No continuity.  And none are the stud at what they do that Spags is.  

You need to find an older top offensive HC that got fired for that to happen. With the way the NFL operates now finding a former offensive minded HC that’s been fired and is not going to be given another shot isn’t likely. The best shots at that with McDs contacts are probably Peterson and “maybe” Daboll. It’s just not a reliable probability with the way the league is operating, and sadly…. Pegula is probably content just winning the division and selling seats every year. 

[Doc Brown]

27 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

This is true.  But we'd had some serious injury issues on D the past two years.  

 

If we enter this year's playoffs healthy, I expect the D to perform competently despite not having the strongest defensive roster.

 

Our defense was near perfect health in the 13 seconds game.  The Chiefs put up 42 points and 552 yards on us.  Don't give me the injury bs.

[ganesh]

6 hours ago, Lafromboise said:

Josh isn't as good as mahomes?? Please close this thread

and it appeared that this was being referenced (implicitly) as the reason for McDermott not winning a SB. 😞 😞

 

55 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Our defense was near perfect health in the 13 seconds game.  The Chiefs put up 42 points and 552 yards on us.  Don't give me the injury bs.

He wrote the "past two years".... 13 seconds happened 3 seasons ago...  A healthy Milano, Bernard, White, Hyde and Miller would have won that game against the Chiefs hands down