Will they bench Dorian Williams?

[Mat68]

8 minutes ago, boyst said:

his mistakes are easily coachable. his tendency to commit those mistakes is a flaw in his coachability.

 

Pozluzknee and Edmunds led in tackles, too. almost all well past the line of scrimmage and on second or third contact tackles. he's also been the most reliable player to be playing on defense. otherwise Johnson would likely be the leading tackler, or any of the actual starting LB's.

his injury is not that serious that he will have an issue recovering. if it was his hips, knees, or shoulder it would be much harder.

He still hasnt played/recovered from his serious injury the year prior. 

[3rdand12]

23 hours ago, Mat68 said:

He does much better with Benard setting the table for him.   Big motions and ball fakes move him.  Mind you this affects all linebakers to some degree.  More playing time will help with that.  See ball get ball big he is very good.  Doen’t miss too many tackles. 

he does have qualities.

 Maybe I watched him too closely. I dont get to see every game these days. life is busy , in a good way.

What i saw was "unsure" from him sunday. Who is calling the defense from the  LB plays these days ?

 The defense are playing well considering the injuries , especially in the back fives and LBs.

perhaps i should pleased as long as Bills are winning !

 Go Bills

[finn]

7 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I think we are vastly overestimating the impact Milano can make when he returns to the field.   He was a hell of a player but who knows what he will be when he finally gets back.    If he does come back this season, I would imagine it's at the earliest Week 15.   That will be 14 months since he last played a real down of professional football.     His leg wasn't even fully healed when he tore the bicep.   The guy had two major injuries in that span.    I am not sure a few weeks of football will be enough for him to get use to the game speed to make any sort of real impact.

 

I think the more likely scenario is Milano sits behind Williams the rest of year and never plays significant time for the Bills again. 

I think this is a bit pessimistic. He was coming on fast in training camp, and he's likely staying in good shape during his rehab. He'll need time, but I suspect he'll be a major contributor by the time the playoffs come along. A Bernard-Milano lineup will be just what the Bills need then. 

[3rdand12]

23 hours ago, balln said:

He absolutely missed tackles. He’s not

great in open field and gets beat with speed to the outside

 

23 hours ago, Mat68 said:

No linebaker is a 100% tackle percent.  Games without Benard I see him out of position more.  Williams has been the constant at linebaker all year.  No Milano, no Benard.  Williams overall play has been a positive not a negative to the defense.  Better than Dodson last season imo.  

yes To all the above.
One of the Homers (in the best way  Bills Lover )

Quoted to me that Dorian lead the the team in tackles ! Not bad stat

But my answer was 🤣

 Almost always the "MLB" has the most tackles lol.  How many yards gained on those tackles lol

But yea. kid is doing alright.

Chess game for Babich to win

23 hours ago, balln said:

Yes well the coaches take him off the field for one of the UB backups DBs for passing 3rd downs. So not developing there 

WIP and might have limitations,

Package player doing a hell of a job playing as key starter though ?

Or a player developing to next level ? Thats my question here

[3rdand12]

8 hours ago, boyst said:

he's playing better than i thought because he recovers quickly. he's a poor mans Tremaine Edmunds. which Edmunds was poor as it was. regardless, he's not far behind what edmunds brought to the team

relative to what we cuold expect from someone in his position he is playing to his ceiling. that's ultimately a bad thing going forward in the sense that he isn't going to get much better. but if his floor is as high as it maybe showing he is an excellent backup.

 

he could be the quintessential backup LB this team needs, though Spector maybe better overall. Spector will sign a big contract elsewhere after next year. Well, not big but just more money than I want the Bills to offer him (he will go on to be a special teams player for another 3 or 4 years seeing spot time on some roster like the Raiders or Saints).

I got the Edmunds vibe

 But I really don't want to go there with Tremaine comparisons .

 

8 hours ago, ElMarko said:

The team gave up 32 yards rushing - with 8 of those on a fumble/broken play. 212 passing yards - many of those coming in mop-up time. With TWO back-up linebackers starting.

 

And people still complain. Can someone add a proper facepalm GIF for me?

[ganesh]

As per Joe Marino’s review of the Seattle game - Dorian was a Dud and played very poorly.  
 

I am assuming this is in pass protection as the Seahawks only had 16 yards rushing 

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, ganesh said:

As per Joe Marino’s review of the Seattle game - Dorian was a Dud and played very poorly.  
 

I am assuming this is in pass protection as the Seahawks only had 16 yards rushing 

 

I watched the all22 last night. Man oh man he was brutal. BRU.TAL. The Seahawks scoring drive in the second quarter they just went at Williams repeatedly. Four of the plays in that drive were at him and they went for a total of 47 yards. He got washed out on a screen pass to Walker for 5. Completely bit on a fake reverse and was out of his zone which allowed a pass to Bobo for 15. Was way too deep in his zone for no obvious reason and then attacked the runner square on and got made to look silly as Walker zoomed past him down the sideline for 17 and finally was way too deep in zone again for a screen to JSN for 10 that got Seattle inside the 5. 

 

His worst game of the season BY FAR. We should remember that progress with young players, especially linebackers where play recognition and instinct are big, is not always linear. But there is no way to my mind that you keep him on the field if you have Milano healthy and ready to play. 

 

18 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I think we are vastly overestimating the impact Milano can make when he returns to the field.   He was a hell of a player but who knows what he will be when he finally gets back.    If he does come back this season, I would imagine it's at the earliest Week 15.   That will be 14 months since he last played a real down of professional football.     His leg wasn't even fully healed when he tore the bicep.   The guy had two major injuries in that span.    I am not sure a few weeks of football will be enough for him to get use to the game speed to make any sort of real impact.

 

I think the more likely scenario is Milano sits behind Williams the rest of year and never plays significant time for the Bills again. 

 

Honestly, if Milano is healthy I just don't think there is any way you can trot Williams out there instead of him. Maybe Milano gets on the field and isn't Milano and you have to go back to Williams. But Williams is still being worked by misdirection drive in and drive out and I just don't think the Bills can afford to roll with a guy who so often just looks like he doesn't know where he should be. 

Edited October 30 by GunnerBill

[balln]

46 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I watched the all22 last night. Man oh man he was brutal. BRU.TAL. The Seahawks scoring drive in the second quarter they just went at Williams repeatedly. Four of the plays in that drive were at him and they went for a total of 47 yards. He got washed out on a screen pass to Walker for 5. Completely bit on a fake reverse and was out of his zone which allowed a pass to Bobo for 15. Was way too deep in his zone for no obvious reason and then attacked the runner square on and got made to look silly as Walker zoomed past him down the sideline for 17 and finally was way too deep in zone again for a screen to JSN for 10 that got Seattle inside the 5. 

 

His worst game of the season BY FAR. We should remember that progress with young players, especially linebackers where play recognition and instinct are big, is not always linear. But there is no way to my mind that you keep him on the field if you have Milano healthy and ready to play. 

 

 

Honestly, if Milano is healthy I just don't think there is any way you can trot Williams out there instead of him. Maybe Milano gets on the field and isn't Milano and you have to go back to Williams. But Williams is still being worked by misdirection drive in and drive out and I just don't think the Bills can afford to roll with a guy who so often just looks like he doesn't know where he should be. 

Amazing. I said the same thing about him for weeks. He’s a backup. He’s grading out as a backup. He’s had flashes. And is at least playable out on the field for long stretches. So he’s a bit better than last year. 
 

He was billed as long arms / good tackler and has speed. But he sure doesn’t make the open field tackles or stay w long crossers or get out to make open field tackles in space….

 

then I thought - maybe they could use him as a qb spy. Nope. 
 

hes only flashed while shooting gaps in the run game

Edited October 30 by balln

[boyst]

19 hours ago, boyst said:

his mistakes are easily coachable. his tendency to commit those mistakes is a flaw in his coachability.

 

Pozluzknee and Edmunds led in tackles, too. almost all well past the line of scrimmage and on second or third contact tackles. he's also been the most reliable player to be playing on defense. otherwise Johnson would likely be the leading tackler, or any of the actual starting LB's.

his injury is not that serious that he will have an issue recovering. if it was his hips, knees, or shoulder it would be much harder.

@GunnerBill just agreed with a post of mine. the world is going to end!?!?!

Edited October 30 by boyst