Cooper or Hopkins?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

19 minutes ago, foreboding said:

4 years ago? Maybe DHop. Now, Cooper all day. Plus Coop is so low key.

 

I'd have to agree... the difference between 30 and 32 seems rather large these days.  Hopkins ran a 4.57 at the combine, and Cooper ran a 4.42 - you don't usually improve much on that number when you hit 30.  

[colin]

amari cooper is a bit unique in that he has elite traits and skills at wr, has always been elite (top 10 pick), but just does his job.  he reminds me of a lot of the players that the pats had during their run.  todd collins, vrable, graham and watson at te, ty law, welker and amendola and edlemen, etc.  they all had some elite ability, altho they were more scheme fit and did have holes, but they just did their jobs.  they were reliable, worked exactly to the specifications of the scheme, and won 1 on 1 match ups or just put themselves in the right spot so that applying the correct technique got them the best results.

 

he does a lot for the O just being someone that makes D's not want to be in cover 0/1/3, but he does it by winning his rep rather than drawing attention or "taking over a game" or whatever.  getting open early is something only bease ever did for the bills, and bease destroyed zone coverage but had issues vs man because he just wasn't fast or big.  cooper does that but with the skills to win quickly on the outside vs press coverage.  i think eric moulds was the last guy who did that for us.

 

i think for these reasons coop is way better for us than hopkins, who is basically an older version of what we really hope coleman can become.  

[GaryPinC]

20 hours ago, Success said:

What's a crowd supposed to yell when Hopkins gets a catch?

 

Nothing like "Cooooooooooooop!!!"  Cooper all day;

 

Hooooooooooop!  (short o)

[Alphadawg7]

Cooper couldn't hold Hopkins jock when Hopkins was in his prime when he was a top 2 WR.  But...Hopkins is not in his prime now and is slower than Keon at this point.  Hopkins has significantly better hands than Cooper, always has.  But we have plenty of guys with great hands on this team, we need someone who can be a threat outside and down the field to compliment this group and that is what Cooper is more than Hopkins today.

 

I hate that Hopkins went to KC though as he fits perfectly there and they got him cheap.  But if I had my choice of the 3 here it would still be Cooper.

 

But make not mistake about it...all Coopers career he has been a boom or bust WR on a week to week basis.  Of the higher tier WR1's of his era, he may be the most inconsistent of his era on a week to week stand point, and he drops more balls than he should too.  So I wouldn't expect Cooper to be some weekly high volume target guy like Diggs was, nor does he need to be.  That is the best part about his addition, we just needed more diversity more than we needed a feed this one guy type player.  And Cooper is and always has been comfortable in that role as well.  

 

Of the 3 that have been traded (Adams, Cooper, Hopkins) - Adams today is still the best WR of the 3, but his alpha mentality where he needs and expects a lot of targets wasn't the best fit, nor was his contract.  Cooper is better than what Hopkins is right now, the best fit personnel wise for this roster, and the best price.  Hopkins is fine, will be a good add for KC, but he wouldn't have moved the needle as much here as we would still not be a big threat down field give the player he is today.  

 

Bills and Beane did very good here and made the right choice IMHO for who was the best fit for this team both as a player and in cost.

[Success]

17 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Cooper couldn't hold Hopkins jock when Hopkins was in his prime when he was a top 2 WR.  But...Hopkins is not in his prime now and is slower than Keon at this point.  Hopkins has significantly better hands than Cooper, always has.  But we have plenty of guys with great hands on this team, we need someone who can be a threat outside and down the field to compliment this group and that is what Cooper is more than Hopkins today.

 

I hate that Hopkins went to KC though as he fits perfectly there and they got him cheap.  But if I had my choice of the 3 here it would still be Cooper.

 

But make not mistake about it...all Coopers career he has been a boom or bust WR on a week to week basis.  Of the higher tier WR1's of his era, he may be the most inconsistent of his era on a week to week stand point, and he drops more balls than he should too.  So I wouldn't expect Cooper to be some weekly high volume target guy like Diggs was, nor does he need to be.  That is the best part about his addition, we just needed more diversity more than we needed a feed this one guy type player.  And Cooper is and always has been comfortable in that role as well.  

 

Of the 3 that have been traded (Adams, Cooper, Hopkins) - Adams today is still the best WR of the 3, but his alpha mentality where he needs and expects a lot of targets wasn't the best fit, nor was his contract.  Cooper is better than what Hopkins is right now, the best fit personnel wise for this roster, and the best price.  Hopkins is fine, will be a good add for KC, but he wouldn't have moved the needle as much here as we would still not be a big threat down field give the player he is today.  

 

Bills and Beane did very good here and made the right choice IMHO for who was the best fit for this team both as a player and in cost.

 

I agree that Cooper is often inconsistent, and also agree that he's the best for us.  

 

The thing w/ Cooper is that regardless of consistency, he changes the defense's focus & strategy.  I think we already saw some of the results of that on Sunday - he opens things up for Coleman, Shakir & others.  

 

[Bills Fan in MD]

Why isn't Zach Ertz an option?

[Warriorspikes51]

Hopkins said at his Chiefs presser that he hasn't played meaningful football in a few years.....   LOL  

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Success said:

 

I agree that Cooper is often inconsistent, and also agree that he's the best for us.  

 

The thing w/ Cooper is that regardless of consistency, he changes the defense's focus & strategy.  I think we already saw some of the results of that on Sunday - he opens things up for Coleman, Shakir & others.  

 

 

Agree, that is why I think he is a great fit too

[Freddie's Dead]

Imma be Hangin' with Mr. Cooper

[Augie]

8 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

I give him all the credit in the world for realizing, if maybe too late, that answering Aunt Edna or anyone else in the family was NOT going to have a good outcome. I want to know what his REAL answer was! 

[DCofNC]

I’ll be the bad guy, I would have preferred the DEAL for Hopkins, less draft pick value and they aren’t paying a lot.  I think Hop can still be a beast, I hate that he went to KC, but I think Cooper is the better fit here.  He’s a real X, where Hop is really better working the middle. 

[QLBillsFan]

Cooper is the better younger player. But they both will help each team. The Bills desperately needed a go to X. The Chiefs have been making do with two TE’s and a mix at WR. Bills did better but big wins for both. Each team has to keep up with that Ravens offense that is the most consistent with the run and pass. KC is winning with great D and inconsistent but clutch QB play and a great HC. Texans showing how much they miss WR1 and it’s not drama Diggs 😆

[Orlando Buffalo]

I am very pleased with the trade we got, Hopkins is now a lesser version of Coleman, and Cooper is a skill set we did not have, my question is will the drops stop now?

[T master]

From anything i've heard Hopkins work ethic is not the greatest and his locker room presence is not all that and a bag of chips which is the exact opposite of Coop so even though i really like D Hop i think Coop is more of a Bills kind of guy and fits the culture much better !! 

[dgrochester55]

Hopkins is on the downside of his career and is more of a veteran starter than a difference making number one at this point. A more even debate would be Amari Cooper vs Davante Adams. I do not ever remember two division rivals making such a prominent trade for the same position within about two hours of each other.

[frostbitmic]

I think a lot of people here are underrating Hopkins, last year he got over 1000 yards catching balls from the awfulness of the Titans QB's.

 

All three receivers are very good and will help the team they're going to, we got the one we could afford and he found the End Zone in game #1.

[ganesh]

On 10/24/2024 at 4:13 AM, WotAGuy said:

Have we all just friggin given up on Shorter??  You guys suck. 

He is of no use if he cannot be on the field

[Billl]

Hopkins had a good game.

 

[ngbills]

4 minutes ago, Billl said:

Hopkins had a good game.

 

More yards, catches and td’s in one game than cooper has in 3 with Buffalo (2 that he played). 

[Process]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

More yards, catches and td’s in one game than cooper has in 3 with Buffalo (2 that he played). 

Wow, big sample size. 

 

This debate is settled.