JerseyBills Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 4 minutes ago, Danger Mouse said: It can’t be a serious question Exactly, not even close.. Thought it was sarcasm before clicking lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 This was needed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 1 hour ago, Captain_Quint said: Hopkins because he dresses like a woman: What color would you say that is? I’m thinking coral. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 Cooper for sure. But I wonder what happens to both receivers next year. I think Coleman may develop into an excellent receiver, but even paired with Shakir and a gadget player like Samuels, he needs someone like Cooper to make it all fall into place. It's possible a rookie might fit the bill, but I would think the Bills would want Cooper to stay another year or two until a younger player develops. As for Hopkins, that looks like a rental. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 It’s 100% Hopkins, his hands are epic in clutch moments, but given our financial situation, Cooper is an amazing consolation prize and I’m thankful he’s a Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 Have we all just friggin given up on Shorter?? You guys suck. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 Can we go after Clowney in Carolina now? We need pass rush help, right? He'd be someone who could help without breaking the bank. I heard Nick Wright suggest the Ravens do that (while also saying the Chiefs should look at Lattimore in NO as a CB replacement), but I think the Bills could also use the help. When the Chiefs get healthy, they'll have Kelce, Worthy, Hopkins, Hollywood Brown (in time for playoffs) & Juju. Definitely some older guys, but also a group that can be very dangerous paired with Reid & Mahomes. The Bills could use any help they can get, both offensively & defensively. I don't trust McDermott & the D in the playoffs, so even more offensive weapons would be helpful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 Did Beane and McDermott just outwit Veach and Reid for the 47th straight time? 🫣 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 47 minutes ago, finn said: Cooper for sure. But I wonder what happens to both receivers next year. I think Coleman may develop into an excellent receiver, but even paired with Shakir and a gadget player like Samuels, he needs someone like Cooper to make it all fall into place. It's possible a rookie might fit the bill, but I would think the Bills would want Cooper to stay another year or two until a younger player develops. As for Hopkins, that looks like a rental. I feel like we’re gonna want to keep cooper around and it’s gonna be up to him if he wants to stay. He’s just physically and mentally such a perfect fit for what we need and letting him walk would throw an unknown into the mix for a year we should be competing 47 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said: It’s 100% Hopkins, his hands are epic in clutch moments, but given our financial situation, Cooper is an amazing consolation prize and I’m thankful he’s a Bill I’d take prime Hopkins over prime cooper probably but coopers skillset seems like it’s gonna hold up better now that these guys are on the downswing a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 I fear a Hail Mary situation in a playoff games against the Chiefs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Josh's starting pass catching options are: Cooper, Coleman, Shakir, Kincaid, Cook. Works for me. Those are all quality options in the passing game. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 4 minutes ago, BearNorth said: Josh's starting pass catching options are: Cooper, Coleman, Shakir, Kincaid, Cook. Works for me. Those are all quality options in the passing game. I agree. But KC won't ask too much of Hopkins. He will be clutch on needed 3rd downs and makes them a better team. He will be the new Kelce on 3rd down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Definitely Cooper Kupp when healthy. Go Bills! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 2 hours ago, finn said: Cooper for sure. But I wonder what happens to both receivers next year. I think Coleman may develop into an excellent receiver, but even paired with Shakir and a gadget player like Samuels, he needs someone like Cooper to make it all fall into place. It's possible a rookie might fit the bill, but I would think the Bills would want Cooper to stay another year or two until a younger player develops. As for Hopkins, that looks like a rental. Lets watch , shall we 31 minutes ago, Chaos said: I fear a Hail Mary situation in a playoff games against the Chiefs. validated 2 hours ago, NeverOutNick said: It’s 100% Hopkins, his hands are epic in clutch moments, but given our financial situation, Cooper is an amazing consolation prize and I’m thankful he’s a Bill consolation ? Hopkins has become the Hail Mary for the Chiefs playoffs as mentioned above agreed about hands. Hope his sore leg feels better (no i dont) 2 years ago I was all over getting D to be straight up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Besides the age advantage, Cooper has better measurables. I know speed isn't everything and there are those who have poohpoohed the significance of 40 time as a factor in a player's value, but when a team lacks speed, it shows on the field. Buffalo has Curtis Samuel, who has excellent speed, but the Bills have struggled trying to get him touches and keeping him healthy. Other than that, their WRs are very average in their speed. Teams need to be able to take the top off the defense to help create space underneath for the short passing game. Until this past Sunday, Buffalo was not doing that, and it's been noticeable in the lack of separation receivers have had. Cooper times in the low 4.0 range. That's fast enough to present a threat to defenses. Hopkins depends more on route running to create separation, which is fine, but it's nice to have some speed in your toolbox as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Both are great trades. cooper is the better player atm and didn’t require us to move any cap room down the road. Hopkins gave up a lesser pick and got a player at a position of need. He’s not the guy he was, but he’s a huge upgrade over Watson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Cooper. It’s not particularly close for me. A few years back it would be different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 1 hour ago, Chaos said: I fear a Hail Mary situation in a playoff games against the Chiefs. You should. Either Hopkins catches it or the refs call pass interference. I don't know why Mahomes doesn't just chuck it down the field on every play. The refs already have their hands in their pockets getting the flag ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Hopkins is the more “flashy” choice, but Cooper will turn out to be the better trade in the end. Hopkins barely cracked 1000 yards once in the past 4 seasons and has been extremely injury prone. Not to mention 2 years older which makes a big difference in the NFL. Meanwhile, Coop has had 1100+ in 4 out of his last 5. He’s also been relatively healthy most of his career never missing more than 2 games. As far as playing style, Hopkins has elite hands and great ability high-pointing the ball. Route running is impeccable. He has one of the biggest catch radiuses in the league and is among the best at 50/50 balls. On paper, Mahomes and Hopkins are a match made in heaven, but rarely does the NFL work this way. I think he will have a good season just for the fact that KC’s WR room is the worst in the league so he will get his targets by default. Cooper is the more crisp route runner IMO and is a better YAC WR. He’s also faster by a pretty good margin. I looked up their 40 times and Hopkins clocked a miserable 4.57, while Coop ran a 4.42. That was 10 years ago and I can only imagine both have gotten slower. It would’ve been nice having Hopkins there to teach Keon Coleman who I think I think share a lot of similarities. That doesn’t mean he can’t learn a thing or 2 from Cooper though. All in all, I think Buffalo got the better deal of the 2. Cooper just seems like the better fit athletically, schematically, and personality-wise. The Chiefs are a little better at handling bigger personalities. Both teams are a receivers dream. If you can’t succeed w/ Allen or Mahomes then your career is pretty much washed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted Thursday at 12:46 PM Share Posted Thursday at 12:46 PM 4 years ago? Maybe DHop. Now, Cooper all day. Plus Coop is so low key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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