947 Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 Hopkins isn't a true Alpha anymore, that is true. But if you don't think he can make some noise in the possession role Rashee Rice thrived in, and even Juju did (for 1 game)- you're probably going to disappointed. This doesn't put KC over the top, but they could get 80-90% of Rice's production from Hopkins. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Two years ago they played a CIN team missing almost their entire OL. We got blown out at home by that depleted Cincy team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 Still the signing Beane should’ve made last offseason. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 1 hour ago, BillsVet said: Buffalo was ridiculously healthy for a few seasons, notably in 2020 and 2021, which predictably gave the false impression that a team should be expected to have all their starters by the playoffs. This is such a ridiculous assumption to make, but based on the fact that until late 2022 they had almost no significant injuries on either side of the ball. Tre going down in late 2022 followed by Miller ended that fantasy, but the reality is teams can and do lose contributors all the time. And still make due. Yet, almost no one ever looks at their good fortune...as in having a healthy OL for all of 2023. Heck, their offense has been exceptionally healthy since 2020. Tre went down with the ACL on Thanksgiving in 2021. That one was impactful. We missed him in the TB game and the 13 seconds game. May have hurt us in the NE wind game. Win those games and the KC playoff game might have been in OP. That was the start of injury phase for the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 we shouldn't put Hopkins up on a PEDestal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 2 hours ago, ngbills said: Yes and I am not complaining as I love the move for Cooper. But we traded a 3rd for him while KC a 5th for Hopkins. That is a pretty big difference. CLE actually did ok if you think about as I think they only gave up like a 5th or 6th for Cooper two years ago and got back a 3rd now. There's a reason, we got a 6th back as well but Cooper is far superior to DHop at this stage, I'd much rather give up the late 3 for Coop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Like with cooper, the QB they have both played with this year had a lot to do with their numbers. Chiefs were desperate for WR help and didn’t lock in either Adams or cooper. Hopkins has been a bit of a Bills killer over the years but I’d rather they got him at this point in his career than either of the other two. I also feel like he’s always hurt Hopkins played with a lot of bad QBs and always produced. Dude is just slowing down. Father Time gets everybody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 Hopkins will get hurt, the Chiefs will win the Super Bowl anyway, and the narrative will be even more annoying than it was last season. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 Shows what a good move the bills made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 I'm not sure how much of a separator Hopkins is at this stage of his career... I'll be interested to see how he fits in with Mahomes. Mahomes has never been the type to throw up contested catches and they've never had somebody like that in their offense. But he is better than Skyy Moore so obviously it is a good trade for them. Just not really a big needle mover IMO. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 4 hours ago, 90sBills said: We got blown out at home by that depleted Cincy team. One of the worst defensive game plans I’ve ever seen. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HappyDays Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 8 hours ago, DCofNC said: He come all the justifications for Cooper’s numbers being essentially the same, but he’s “better” than Hopkins. Cooper is better than Hopkins right now. Not even a question. He's younger, his physical abilities haven't diminished as much, he has better separation skills, he's less injury prone. If you don't believe me, believe the NFL market - Cooper went for a 3rd, Hopkins went for a 5th. That tells you where the players are valued. I don't know, I can't bring myself to worry too much about this trade. The Chiefs are undoubtedly better off now than they were last week, but they are undoubtedly worse off than they were in August. They were always going to trade for a WR once Rice went down. This trade means they won't be trading for Kupp so to me that's a net positive. It was a move that they HAD to do, not a move that pushes them over the top. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 (edited) 8 hours ago, Buffalo4Life01 said: If you don't think DHOP is as good as Rice, I don't know what to tell you. I'm sorry man but you are just wrong on this one, and weirdly boastful about it. Your mind is stuck in 2022. This is like saying "Stefon Diggs is as good as Nico Collins" and scoffing at anyone that disagrees. Hopkins has legitimately fallen off. When WRs fall off they fall off fast. Hopkins is still a good player, but he is not close to a 1,500 yard WR like Rice was trending before Patty gave him the ol' Tonya Harding. Edited October 23 by HappyDays 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said: One of the worst defensive game plans I’ve ever seen. Agreed. Allen and the offense didn’t bother to show up either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Everyone saying Hopkins is washed, you're nuts. Over 1K yards and 14.1 yd average last season, and a 12-year veteran badass. He's still a great football player, and he will have Jesus H. Mahomes throwing to him. This is a huge pickup at great value for the Chiefs; not to mention WR is a big need for them. If you grade the two trades on which team is now more likely to win a title, I favor KC. If you grade on value for the player, I think it's a wash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 8 hours ago, Steptide said: Honestly, for a 5th I would've taken him and let shavers walk. While I don't think Hopkins is a 100yard a game guy, I still think he's halfway decent Shavers is on the practice squad. Your choices of WR on the team to "let walk" are Cooper, Coleman, Shakir, Samuel, and Hollins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 16 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Shavers is on the practice squad. Your choices of WR on the team to "let walk" are Cooper, Coleman, Shakir, Samuel, and Hollins. ..and don't forget you have re-structure a contract to fit Hopkins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 14 hours ago, K D said: It doesn't really matter. KC would win the Superbowl with me at WR. They plug and play like the Patriots used to and keep on going. Frustrating Andy could win with guys from the ymca. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 (edited) 17 hours ago, Beck Water said: Shavers is on the practice squad. Your choices of WR on the team to "let walk" are Cooper, Coleman, Shakir, Samuel, and Hollins. 17 hours ago, Malazan said: ..and don't forget you have re-structure a contract to fit Hopkins Exactly. The price would’ve been higher for the Bills than it was for the Chiefs, because: 1. (Major) We would’ve needed TEN to eat more salary, and they’re not going to do that for free 2. (Minor) The conditions to make it a 4th are both making the Super Bowl and Hopkins playing 60% of snaps. In TEN’s mind, the 6-0 defending champs are probably a better bet to make the SB than the 5-2 team that’s never beaten Mahomes in the playoffs. On #1 alone, I think it would’ve cost the Bills about as much for Hopkins as they paid for Cooper. For the record, I’m HOPING that Hopkins is washed. I’m EXPECTING that he’ll show his age and be nowhere near the destructive force we saw in Houston, but still be pretty effective at times. It’s hard for me to envision him failing on a crucial 50/50 ball in the playoffs. But I also don’t think it would’ve been worth it for us to trade for him. IMO, if we’re gonna spend more picks, let’s get someone who’ll help this year AND in the future. Edited Thursday at 05:43 PM by Cash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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