the Daboll/Schoen regime - on the brink, it seems

[boco357]

I keep hearing they are safe and Mara wants to give them a chance to pick their own QB.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

19 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You are probably just still fooled by the clever things you've seen from Daboll.   The majority of his career as a play caller has been him trying to get by on clever and failing.  Spectacularly at times.   It's my belief that he just doesn't work hard enough at his craft because he doesn't think he has to.  Way too overconfident in his ability.  I think the best coaches are systematic, detail oriented and always trying to gain more knowledge of the league/game.   That's not what I see with him.   

 

 

[Kelly to Allen]

11 hours ago, ganesh said:

I doubt Allen succeeds if he went to the Jets.  It was clear from Allen's rookie season that he was not ready for the NFL.  The Bills nurtured him to what he is today.  The Jets would have thrown him by the wayside.  It is tough to play and survive in that market.  Even a SB Quarterback Kurt Warner was kicked out of that market. 

 

I respect your opinion but I think guys like Allen, mahomes , a Elway or Luck would be great anywhere....

 

A lot of Allen's learning curve was normal for any top QB for time and memorial. 

 

The bills also didn't take any shortcuts in his development by going RPO or spread. Daboll taught Allen how to play QB the right way traditionally in the Earnhardt- Perkins offense ( the same offense Brady ran for 20 years) and it paid big dividends in parts of year two and obviously year 3. 

 

His numbers would have been better if they just ran RPO but they did things the right way for his development 

 

Allen in year two was actually much better than ppl realize considering the advanced offense he was learning. 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 01:52 AM by Kelly to Allen

[Governor]

12 hours ago, boco357 said:

I keep hearing they are safe and Mara wants to give them a chance to pick their own QB.

Finally it appears we have proof of the meddling.

Edited Sunday at 01:59 AM by Governor

[ganesh]

9 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I respect your opinion but I think guys like Allen, mahomes , a Elway or Luck would be great anywhere....

 

A lot of Allen's learning curve was normal for any top QB for time and memorial. 

 

The bills also didn't take any shortcuts in his development by going RPO or spread. Daboll taught Allen how to play QB the right way traditionally in the Earnhardt- Perkins offense ( the same offense Brady ran for 20 years) and it paid big dividends in parts of year two and obviously year 3. 

 

His numbers would have been better if they just ran RPO but they did things the right way for his development 

 

Allen in year two was actually much better than ppl realize considering the advanced offense he was learning. 

 

 

Allen would have succeeded in many places..that was not the point.  He needed a ecosystem to succeed.  The Jets have not been able to give that to any of the QBs in the last decade. 

[Billy Claude]

21 hours ago, boco357 said:

I keep hearing they are safe and Mara wants to give them a chance to pick their own QB.

 

That's what everybody is reporting but I don't see how Mara can keep Daboll given how badly the Giants are playing.  The Giants don't have to win but there will be a huge amount of pressure to fire Daboll if the Giants continue to looks so disorganized and non-competitive.

 

If Mara fires Daboll, it wouldn't make sense to let Schoen pick the next coach given that there is a good chance Schoen will be fired in a year.

 

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I respect your opinion but I think guys like Allen, mahomes , a Elway or Luck would be great anywhere....

 

A lot of Allen's learning curve was normal for any top QB for time and memorial. 

 

The bills also didn't take any shortcuts in his development by going RPO or spread. Daboll taught Allen how to play QB the right way traditionally in the Earnhardt- Perkins offense ( the same offense Brady ran for 20 years) and it paid big dividends in parts of year two and obviously year 3. 

 

His numbers would have been better if they just ran RPO but they did things the right way for his development 

 

Allen in year two was actually much better than ppl realize considering the advanced offense he was learning. 

 

 

 

I think there as a risk of Josh failing and it was that a team either:

 

a) tried to hide his weaknesses in the development phase and didn't expose him to things. As you say the Bills did not do that; or 

 

b) they tired of the mistakes and pulled the plug on the development right before the break out happened.

 

I think a) was the bigger of the two risks and it is why I give Daboll credit. I don't think he is responsible for Josh Allen or anything like that... Josh's talent is responsible... but Daboll developed a guy like Josh absolutely the right way. No stabilisers. There is a world IMO where a team tried the alternative approach of hiding him early, then got frustrated because the ceiling appeared lower and gave up only to see him succeed somewhere else. I think that is sort of what happened with Baker in Cleveland. They installed an offense to try and prop him up rather than truly develop him and as a result they never got the ceiling version of Baker that Tampa are now enjoying. Josh is better and more talented than Baker, no question, but the risk of a similar career arc was there IMO.

53 minutes ago, Billy Claude said:

 

That's what everybody is reporting but I don't see how Mara can keep Daboll given how badly the Giants are playing.  The Giants don't have to win but there will be a huge amount of pressure to fire Daboll if the Giants continue to looks so disorganized and non-competitive.

 

If Mara fires Daboll, it wouldn't make sense to let Schoen pick the next coach given that there is a good chance Schoen will be fired in a year.

 

 

It seems to me that of the two Schoen is the one more likely on the hotseat. They should either keep them both or fire them both though. Mismatching regimes rarely works.