Mat68 Posted November 27 Posted November 27 2 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said: No, IMO, they should have stayed strong and implemented the Bills blueprint right from the start. That plan involves taking a shot at a franchise QB. Much like Tyrod got the Bills a fluke playoff game, D Jones got the Giants a fluke. Also they should have moved Barkley via trade. DaBoll/Shoen came from a no-pay RB philosophy. Franchising Barkley was another mistake, and not from the Bills handbook. Yes. Missed up the years with Jones. Strong disagree with Barkley. I don't think you get back what he is worth. 2nd or 3rd isn't enough imo. Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted November 27 Posted November 27 11 hours ago, Logic said: The amount of GMs that could potentially be good at their jobs but get fired before ever finding out due to inability to procure a quality quarterback is crazy. Makes you wonder where Brandon Beane would be if the Bills had missed out on Allen and had to settle for, say, Josh Rosen or Mason Rudolph. Getting the QB is really THE thing for a GM. If he hits on a QB, especially a REALLY good one, he's got job security for quite a while. If he doesn't? Back to the unemployment line. Crazy thing with Schoen and Daboll is it seems they may not even get the chance to pick a guy. I mean...they re-signed Daniel Jones to a big contract, so I guess that counts, but...sheesh. How is it "crazy" that regimes fail for not getting a QB when the reality is that there are always considerably less than 32 franchise QB's but an abundance of potentially capable GM/HC candidates? You get it done or you miss your shot. Was it crazy that Dan Campbell didn't get to pick his guy? How is that working out? If you don't have the luck of the irish like McDermott and get to choose between Mahomes, Allen and Lamar in consecutive drafts then you gotta' be aggressive and MAKE it work. 2 1 Quote
BillMafia716ix Posted November 27 Posted November 27 (edited) I blame the owner for not stepping in on the Saquon Barkley situation. He was literally the face of the franchise and Joe decided to back Daniel Jones instead. They were already iffy on DJ going into the year but they tried rolling the dice one more time on him and it failed miserably. Edited November 27 by BillMafia716ix 2 Quote
GaryPinC Posted November 27 Posted November 27 12 hours ago, Logic said: The amount of GMs that could potentially be good at their jobs but get fired before ever finding out due to inability to procure a quality quarterback is crazy. Makes you wonder where Brandon Beane would be if the Bills had missed out on Allen and had to settle for, say, Josh Rosen or Mason Rudolph. Getting the QB is really THE thing for a GM. If he hits on a QB, especially a REALLY good one, he's got job security for quite a while. If he doesn't? Back to the unemployment line. Crazy thing with Schoen and Daboll is it seems they may not even get the chance to pick a guy. I mean...they re-signed Daniel Jones to a big contract, so I guess that counts, but...sheesh. I don't think they had much of a choice. I read Mara's parting statement to Jones and it sounded like he really loved him and didn't want him to leave. 1 1 1 Quote
SinceThe70s Posted November 27 Posted November 27 12 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: I don't think they had much of a choice. I read Mara's parting statement to Jones and it sounded like he really loved him and didn't want him to leave. The playoff win against the Vikings Daboll's first year as HC set the Giants back two more years. There's been speculation that Mara wanted Jones resigned and Schoen capitulated to a deal they could get out of. No clue if that's true. It'll be interesting to see if Schoen/Daboll get a chance to make their own mark with the Giants instead of trying to make things work with the hand that Gettleman dealt them: Jones and Saquon - both highly questionable picks where they were selected. 2 Quote
Malazan Posted November 27 Posted November 27 (edited) 11 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: The playoff win against the Vikings Daboll's first year as HC set the Giants back two more years. There's been speculation that Mara wanted Jones resigned and Schoen capitulated to a deal they could get out of. No clue if that's true. It'll be interesting to see if Schoen/Daboll get a chance to make their own mark with the Giants instead of trying to make things work with the hand that Gettleman dealt them: Jones and Saquon - both highly questionable picks where they were selected. Well, it's probably not true because it was a deal they couldn't get out of until now and even then they're still eating a big ole bag of **** with it... Also, they went against the owners wishes with Barkley and Schoen was literally quoted saying he wasn't gonna pay Barkley so their "45 million dollar QB" can hand off to him. The giants have gotten worse each successive year since they were "saddled with Gettleman's roster". These narratives that Shoen and Daboll are just unfortunate victims of a meddling owner and circumstance are wild. Edited November 27 by Malazan 2 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted November 27 Posted November 27 46 minutes ago, Malazan said: Well, it's probably not true because it was a deal they couldn't get out of until now and even then they're still eating a big ole bag of **** with it... Also, they went against the owners wishes with Barkley and Schoen was literally quoted saying he wasn't gonna pay Barkley so their "45 million dollar QB" can hand off to him. The giants have gotten worse each successive year since they were "saddled with Gettleman's roster". These narratives that Shoen and Daboll are just unfortunate victims of a meddling owner and circumstance are wild. I would argue being able to get out of a "Franchise QB" deal worth upwards of $45M/year after only 2 years and having only $22M in dead money IS crafting a deal they can get out of. Especially when you look at contracts like Tua's and Trevor Lawrence's. Not even mentioning QB contracts like Watson's or Dak's. 1 4 1 Quote
GaryPinC Posted November 27 Posted November 27 12 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: The playoff win against the Vikings Daboll's first year as HC set the Giants back two more years. There's been speculation that Mara wanted Jones resigned and Schoen capitulated to a deal they could get out of. No clue if that's true. It'll be interesting to see if Schoen/Daboll get a chance to make their own mark with the Giants instead of trying to make things work with the hand that Gettleman dealt them: Jones and Saquon - both highly questionable picks where they were selected. Good post, thanks. The entire thing seems vaguely and mildly familiar to DeShaun Watson with the Browns. I'm sure Berry and Stefanski have long wanted to move on . 2 Quote
hondo in seattle Posted November 27 Posted November 27 Hindsight is 20-20 as they say and we all know it's a "passing league." But Barkley is an elite talent while Jones is a mediocre, easily replaceable QB. I know Jones had that one "good" year but it's still puzzling to me and many fans why they chose to pay him. I'd like to read the transcripts of their private conversations. Quote
Malazan Posted November 27 Posted November 27 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: I would argue being able to get out of a "Franchise QB" deal worth upwards of $45M/year after only 2 years and having only $22M in dead money IS crafting a deal they can get out of. Especially when you look at contracts like Tua's and Trevor Lawrence's. Not even mentioning QB contracts like Watson's or Dak's. It was a 4 year deal so saying "after only 2 years" is a little silly when they have $47.1 million in dead money this year and $22.2 million in 2025. So taking a 70 million dollar cap hit (or almost 50%) of a contract is structured as a 'deal you can get out' in anything, but the most literal of terms. Sure, pretty much every contract in the NFL can be 'gotten out of' if you want to take a ridiculous cap hit. Quote
machine gun kelly Posted November 27 Posted November 27 It’s unfortunate, but the only thing Dabs and Schoen have going for them is the Maras are not quick to fire. If they get one more year, it’s the last one. For everyone involved, holding onto Jones and not keeping Barkley were huge mistakes. Barkley is on track to make the rushing record. Schoen bears more responsibility as he chose the ingredients and the team is floundering in talent. They ticked off Barkley so much he declined the Giants offer, yet took the same offer from Philly. 1 Quote
frostbitmic Posted November 27 Posted November 27 1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said: They are dead men walking. They've been fitted for their burial suits. 1 Quote
DJB Posted November 27 Posted November 27 Schoen big mistake is obviously keeping Jones but my guess is Daboll thought he could fix him. No question Giants are going QB in round 1 this year . They need to hit and have a good Washington’esk season to salvage their jobs Quote
benderbender Posted November 27 Posted November 27 The only thing keeping John Mara from being run out of town on a rail is because the Jets are a louder example of disorganization. What is inexplicable to me is why Schoen/Daboll are getting all of the focus when Hard Knocks showed what awful influence he has throwing his weight around. Quote
Don Otreply Posted November 27 Posted November 27 Frankly I prefer any team that is not the Buffalo Bills to be in trouble when it come to QBs and team building, it really is the best thing for our organization, Quote
Doc Brown Posted November 27 Posted November 27 19 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: How is that working out? If you don't have the luck of the irish like McDermott and get to choose between Mahomes, Allen and Lamar in consecutive drafts then you gotta' be aggressive and MAKE it work. Cardinals would've taken Allen if we didn't jump them but besides that this is spot in. Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted November 28 Posted November 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: Cardinals would've taken Allen if we didn't jump them but besides that this is spot in. Oh hell they had the draft capital to get even higher. Beane gave up relatively little to move up from #11 to #7. Beane didn't want to give up the two picks that became Tremaine Edmunds so he played a dangerous game there. If he'd have missed out on Allen that would have been right up there with Donahoe f#cking around in that 2004 draft because he thought he could wait til #9(Jax) to trade up. There is no personnel chip more over-rated than a 1st round pick not used on a franchise QB. The Bills have been among the better drafting teams since 2017 but there isn't any one first round pick they couldn't have done without and still been a SB contender except that QB. Edited November 28 by BADOLBILZ 1 1 Quote
Lafromboise Posted November 28 Posted November 28 33 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Oh hell they had the draft capital to get even higher. Beane gave up relatively little to move up from #11 to #7. Beane didn't want to give up the two picks that became Tremaine Edmunds so he played a dangerous game there. If he'd have missed out on Allen that would have been right up there with Donahoe f#cking around in that 2004 draft because he thought he could wait til #9(Jax) to trade up. There is no personnel chip more over-rated than a 1st round pick not used on a franchise QB. The Bills have been among the better drafting teams since 2017 but there isn't any one first round pick they couldn't have done without and still been a SB contender except that QB. The report also was that the Cardinals front office was SO DISTRAUGHT. They really thought Allen would fall to them and had to pick Rosen just because. Lol. Funny but I feel bad oh well Quote
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