Week 8 - Bills at Seahawks Game Week Thread

[BigAl2526]

I think the Bills had matchup issues with the Baltimore Ravens, but beat themselves versus Houston.  I think that Buffalo, playing the way they are capable of playing, beats Seattle and covers the spread with no problem.  The problem happens when "first quarter against the Titans Bills" shows up and stinks up the stadium.

[Simon]

5 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

I think the Bills had matchup issues with the Baltimore Ravens

 

Yeah, the issues being that Cam Lewis, Baylon Spector, Dorian WIlliams and Damar Hamlin were all on the field all night long.

Things should look a lot different the next time we see them.

[Beck Water]

55 minutes ago, Simon said:

Yeah, the issues being that Cam Lewis, Baylon Spector, Dorian WIlliams and Damar Hamlin were all on the field all night long.

Things should look a lot different the next time we see them.

 

Don't overlook that Taylor Rapp was out for 3/4 of the game as well.

 

We saw that in 2022 with Hamlin - he was servicable when paired with Poyer, but when he was paired with Jaquan Johnson the quality of safety play plummeted
 

Not that I'm saying Cole Bishop is Jaquan Johnson, but he's a rookie and still figuring things out.  Put two safeties who are figuring things out together with a backup nickel and two backup LB and things get fugly fast.

 

[DaVinci]

Dont like this game. Rain, west coast,tough place to play,injuries.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

We should lure Jairus Byrd out of retirement just so he can pick off Geno Smith 3 times 

[philholbroo]

hopefully the coaches are pre game planning some urgency and rythym instead of focusing on slowing the game and dragging the play clock.

[RichRiderBills]

9 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

I think the Bills had matchup issues with the Baltimore Ravens, but beat themselves versus Houston.  I think that Buffalo, playing the way they are capable of playing, beats Seattle and covers the spread with no problem.  The problem happens when "first quarter against the Titans Bills" shows up and stinks up the stadium.

 

I sort of agree here. I also insist the game was closer than the final score indicated and the Bills nearly clawed back in the game. 

 

There is a huge difference between getting your ass kicked like we did in the Bengals game, and Colts a few years ago...and that Ravens game. I'm mostly speaking about the eye test here. Bengals game we just got pushed back like chumps. 

 

I don't necessarily feel it's a bad matchup. Although Henry is a bad matchup for anyone. 

 

The Bills kill themselves when they resort to high risk down field throws with predictable repetitive fashion. 3 downs of "huck it deep" will get us in holes quick. Compound this be predictable run calls and plays essentially wasting a down. That's been most of the problem. Drive the field methodically using sidelines and whole field. Utilize intermittent play action and motion. 

 

Bills had a couple blown drives right before half where it was really a problem. That, IMO, is when we lost the game. 

 

Slow start is a catastrophic problem, and slow start versus the wrong team will kill us. 

 

This team has got to attack these bad starts on offense and D. 

Edited Thursday at 11:06 AM by RichRiderBills

[balln]

Not sure how the defense can get better. Straight up it’s a personal issue. We are never gonna play a sig % man to man. We’re gonna give up runs at the expense to stop the pass.
 

The problem is we’re playing cam Lewis on dime packages on 3rd down passing. And we ask  Dorian and Rapp to cover a lot of space (usually

the flats / leaks / hook to curl) early downs when they pass. And I still see these awful  Poorly timed and slow ineffective safety blitzes from way deep. So teams IMo are targeting our weaknesses in personnel. 
 

On offense. Titans game was a tale of two halves. First: it’s the same vanilla shotgun runs , and run run pass formula. 
 

Second half. Josh was under center more. The runs and passes were way more effective. They had 2 out of 3 play actions big gains. 
 

Overall offense: I still see a lot of blown up plays / like the D has an obvious key on the play. And the Allen designed runs from shotgun are becoming a waste

[JGMcD2]

21 minutes ago, balln said:

Not sure how the defense can get better. Straight up it’s a personal issue. We are never gonna play a sig % man to man. We’re gonna give up runs at the expense to stop the pass.

I do get the sense you have some sort of personal issue with the Bills

[balln]

2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

I do get the sense you have some sort of personal issue with the Bills

Haha - well people want to just say “slow starts.” It’s just a matchup league. It’s how lucky you get w injuries and penalties over the course of 4q and 17 game season. I’m not gonna chalk it up to some intangible 

[Motorin']

13 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Yeah, the issues being that Cam Lewis, Baylon Spector, Dorian WIlliams and Damar Hamlin were all on the field all night long.

Things should look a lot different the next time we see them.

 

The issue on offense was that over the first three weeks they developed a dominating run game combined with a quick, underneath pass game. Both of which were designed to take advantage of cover 2 / off coverage that takes away intermediate and deep passing zones. 

 

After week 3 I said the test is going to be against an aggressive D that can stop the run with their d-line while playing sticky press man and take away the short throwing zones. What will be Brady's response to that, because the few teams that can effectively play that way are the teams we have to worry about in the playoffs, the Ravens and Chiefs in particular. 

 

We didn't really get to see much "scheme" to get players open down field against the Ravens. And all momentum was lost after that trick play...

 

But now with the addition of Cooper, we have a guy that can get open downfield, while drawing the kind of attention away from the other receivers in a way that a player of his quality deserves. So I'm hoping to see more of the intermediate pass game develop that Josh has thrived with in the past, while having the system to fall back to when the D shifts into the off coverage stuff and dares Josh to be patient underneath. 

 

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 03:40 PM by Motorin'

[BearNorth]

Injury report has me a bit concerned. 

Limited or DNP

 

DeWayne CarterDT

Dawuane SmootDE

 

Dorian WilliamsLB

Terrel BernardLB

 

Taron JohnsonCB

Damar HamlinS

 

Curtis SamuelWR

Mack HollinsWR

 

Dalton KincaidTE

Dawson KnoxTE
 

Some key guys will be playing at least dinged up.

[VaMilBill]

12 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

I think the Bills had matchup issues with the Baltimore Ravens, but beat themselves versus Houston.  I think that Buffalo, playing the way they are capable of playing, beats Seattle and covers the spread with no problem.  The problem happens when "first quarter against the Titans Bills" shows up and stinks up the stadium.

Against Houston we were also missing Taron Johnson and Ed Oliver and Taylor Rapp. Was Bernard out too?

 

I think if we see Houston again we can beat them. 

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, balln said:

Not sure how the defense can get better. Straight up it’s a personal issue. We are never gonna play a sig % man to man. We’re gonna give up runs at the expense to stop the pass.
 

The problem is we’re playing cam Lewis on dime packages on 3rd down passing. And we ask  Dorian and Rapp to cover a lot of space (usually

the flats / leaks / hook to curl) early downs when they pass. And I still see these awful  Poorly timed and slow ineffective safety blitzes from way deep. So teams IMo are targeting our weaknesses in personnel. 
 

On offense. Titans game was a tale of two halves. First: it’s the same vanilla shotgun runs , and run run pass formula. 
 

Second half. Josh was under center more. The runs and passes were way more effective. They had 2 out of 3 play actions big gains. 
 

Overall offense: I still see a lot of blown up plays / like the D has an obvious key on the play. And the Allen designed runs from shotgun are becoming a waste

 

It's simple...guys get more comfortable in their roles and playing together with each other. 

 

Happens all the time over the course of the season with the Bills and throughout the league.  There are a lot of new faces on D all playing together for the first time.  Gonna take time to gel...being out of position by a yard or two or slow to react to something by a half second can make the difference between plays being made and not being made.

Edited Thursday at 02:26 PM by Big Turk

[Sweats]

I've got a feeling that not only will JA throw his 1st INT this week, he'll have 2.......one that bounces off the WR's hands and the 2nd one is all JA bad placement.

[JerseyBills]

Didn't want to start a thread but Dorsey will now call plays in Cle

 

Didn't realize Stefanski was calling them. Will be interesting to see what unfolds

[Buffalo4Life01]

Bills 31, Hawks 20.  That is all.

[Logic]

49 minutes ago, Sweats said:

I've got a feeling that not only will JA throw his 1st INT this week, he'll have 2.......one that bounces off the WR's hands and the 2nd one is all JA bad placement.

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, BearNorth said:

Injury report has me a bit concerned. 

Limited or DNP

 

DeWayne CarterDT

Dawuane SmootDE

 

Dorian WilliamsLB

Terrel BernardLB

 

Taron JohnsonCB

Damar HamlinS

 

Curtis SamuelWR

Mack HollinsWR

 

Dalton KincaidTE

Dawson KnoxTE
 

Some key guys will be playing at least dinged up.

 

Everyone is playing dinged up this time of year to some degree or another

45 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

Bills 31, Hawks 20.  That is all.

 

That's the same as I said in the predict the score thread! 😎

[BigAl2526]

1 hour ago, VaMilBill said:

Against Houston we were also missing Taron Johnson and Ed Oliver and Taylor Rapp. Was Bernard out too?

 

I think if we see Houston again we can beat them. 

I don't disagree with this.  My only response is that I think with better execution from the regular starters who were in the game, Buffalo could still have won even given their missing starters.