Don Otreply Posted October 23 Posted October 23 Although Dabol certainly helped Allen early on, it became pretty obvious that Dabol’s success was more a product of Allen’s skill than his own capacities, jmo. 1 Quote
BillsFan130 Posted October 23 Posted October 23 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Proving your point?? Tyrod (who had a similarly "decent" year in 2017), led the Bills to their first playoff game in almost 2 decades. He didn't get 40 million because the Bills FO understood that those numbers are backup QB numbers (drafting the next franchise QB would be the following spring) and only 3 people on earth are dumb enough to pay that much for that mediocre play from a QB who had been bad the 3 years previously. So, to recap, The Bills didn't pay their Daniel Jones level QB (even though they broke the drought with him) because they knew they could do better with a rookie in the upcoming draft. The Giants brain trust, in contrast, decided to wildly overpay/re-sign their barely mediocre QB because he won a playoff game, instead of drafting his sorely needed replacement. They have been 3-10 with him starting since they resigned him--2 years ago.. He's as terrible as ever, which makes this a completely avoidable error. Haha I think we will just agree to disagree buddy as we are both going down a big rabbit hole and we both aren't gonna change each others minds on DJs 2022 season. You think it was bad, I think it was decent. All good For the record- I wouldn't have paid DJ either- I'm just talking from Daboll and the GMs perspective, they didn't have the time/luxury to groom a rookie QB when their jobs are on the line as they needed to produce results this year. So I think ultimately what we are disagreeing in, is if I needed to win this year I would rather DJ and Nabers all day over an unproven let's say JJ McCarthy without Nabers I appreciate the convo with you and I hope you have a good day💪 Edited October 23 by BillsFan130 Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 23 Posted October 23 (edited) 20 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: In a heartbeat.... How many years would belichick have to coach to even make this move worth it even if you do actually like belichick. The guy is over 70 Edited October 23 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote
Nihilarian Posted October 23 Posted October 23 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Although Dabol certainly helped Allen early on, it became pretty obvious that Dabol’s success was more a product of Allen’s skill than his own capacities, jmo. Agree! There was a time when Brian Daboll was very harsh at Josh Allen by yelling and screaming at him on the sidelines. This might be one reason why he was moved upstairs into the booth. Yes, Daboll schemed up some very good passing game plans and Josh ran them well. There were other times that Josh had difficulty with certain defensive schemes and Daboll just kept calling pass plays regardless. At times to the tune of 40+ pass attempts and this while Josh was under great duress from a vicious pass rush. Daboll had his issues...also, with little or no run game. Currently, the 2024 Buffalo Bills have an offense like the old Jim Kelly/Thurman Thomas offense in which they would run first to set up the passing game. I marvel at how well the Bills can run the ball at times. The Bills have 192 pass attempts and 192 rush attempts...talk about balance. I think that the Ravens game was an anomaly in that the game got out of hand quickly and that the new center had difficulty with pass protections for the offensive line. Josh Allen wasn't the same guy we all know and love in that game and I also think it affected him the next week against the Texans. I think Joe Brady is the best OC this team has had since Ted Marchibroda/Jim Ringo with such a balanced team and stout run game. Edited October 23 by Nihilarian Quote
Mr. WEO Posted October 23 Posted October 23 49 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Haha I think we will just agree to disagree buddy as we are both going down a big rabbit hole and we both aren't gonna change each others minds on DJs 2022 season. You think it was bad, I think it was decent. All good For the record- I wouldn't have paid DJ either- I'm just talking from Daboll and the GMs perspective, they didn't have the time/luxury to groom a rookie QB when their jobs are on the line as they needed to produce results this year. So I think ultimately what we are disagreeing in, is if I needed to win this year I would rather DJ and Nabers all day over an unproven let's say JJ McCarthy without Nabers I appreciate the convo with you and I hope you have a good day💪 I think what we are disagreeing on is Dan Jones, at any time in his career, being a "win now" proposition. He just isn't and never was. Daboll and Schoen believing he was is their problem. No one else in the NFL thought this was the case. Everyone saw this guy play--and how the Giants played after the bye in 2022. Cheers! 1 Quote
Don Otreply Posted October 23 Posted October 23 7 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Agree! There was a time when Brian Daboll was very harsh at Josh Allen by yelling and screaming at him on the sidelines. This might be one reason why he was moved upstairs into the booth. Yes, Daboll schemed up some very good passing game plans and Josh ran them well. There were other times that Josh had difficulty with certain defensive schemes and Daboll just kept calling pass plays regardless. At times to the tune of 40+ pass attempts and this while Josh was under great duress from a vicious pass rush. Daboll had his issues...also, with little or no run game. Agree, Dabol really didn’t know how to incorporate a run game into his scheme, I kinda think he really didn’t know how to, he was the mad bomber OC, Quote
Sabres 2025 Posted October 23 Posted October 23 Offense isn't the Bills problem any longer now that they have a WR1. If the Bills don't win the Super Bowl it will be because of the McDermott run defense. This problem has been there the entire time McDermott has been the head coach and he refuses to fix it. If Milano comes back in December the run defense could be adequate enough to win, but the Ravens, Chiefs, and Lions are going to run the ball on the Bills. 1 Quote
Gregg Posted October 24 Posted October 24 Unless this is the kiss of death vote of confidence from the owner it looks like Schoen and Daboll are safe. https://nypost.com/2024/10/23/sports/john-mara-backs-brian-daboll-joe-schoen-in-defiant-giants-move/ Quote
bobobonators Posted October 24 Posted October 24 I think Daboll and Allen were good together. I just don’t see it happening again while McD is here. We have seen Nagy leave the Bears and come back to the Chiefs for a 2nd stint, but there seemed to be 0 bad blood there. Quote
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 24 Posted October 24 New York Giants owner John Mara said Wednesday that he does not anticipate making head coaching or general manager changes following the 2024 season, NFL Network's Judy Battista reported. Speaking at a screening of the new NFL Films piece "The Duke: The Giant Life of Wellington Mara," Mara remarked that his father preached patience, which is part of the reason why he does not anticipate moving on from Giants HC Brian Daboll and GM Joe Schoen despite his disappointment with New York's 2-5 start, according to Battista. Mara added that he believes he has not been patient enough in recent years and remains confident in Daboll and Schoen, who forged a playoff appearance and a wild-card win in their first season together in 2022, per Battista. Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 24 Posted October 24 3 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: New York Giants owner John Mara said Wednesday that he does not anticipate making head coaching or general manager changes following the 2024 season, NFL Network's Judy Battista reported. Speaking at a screening of the new NFL Films piece "The Duke: The Giant Life of Wellington Mara," Mara remarked that his father preached patience, which is part of the reason why he does not anticipate moving on from Giants HC Brian Daboll and GM Joe Schoen despite his disappointment with New York's 2-5 start, according to Battista. Mara added that he believes he has not been patient enough in recent years and remains confident in Daboll and Schoen, who forged a playoff appearance and a wild-card win in their first season together in 2022, per Battista. Its easy to say now, but... washington looks better. Philly even with their wrinkles, look like a potential contender. Dallas at 3-3, lots of problems defensively - still can turn it around. The giants on the other hand look like 4 wins this year. Maybe. I'm not sure how much patience you can have when the team your GM built is the least talented in the division in year 3, and your offensive coach has had a bottom 5 offense for 3 straight years now. Quote
BigAl2526 Posted October 24 Posted October 24 I went with option #2 though my level of enthusiasm doesn't measure up to adding an expletive. Daboll is a solid OC, but not perfect, just like Brady. Brady has made mistakes, but he' still early in his tenure. I think he's still getting used to what he has and how best to use it. I want to see how that plays out. Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted October 24 Posted October 24 On 10/23/2024 at 7:46 AM, Generic_Bills_Fan said: How many years would belichick have to coach to even make this move worth it even if you do actually like belichick. The guy is over 70 I'm not expecting him to coach till he's 80. He'll be 73 in April and yes that's long in the tooth, but I'd take him on a 3 year deal. Maybe his legendary defensive scheming could get us past Andy and punch 1 SB ticket. Andy absolutely owns Sean McDermott and I have zero faith in clappy out scheming the walrus in the playoffs. 1 Quote
Augie Posted October 24 Posted October 24 I never do PPV, but I’d pay a bit to see Daboll in a cage match with McD! Working together again probably wouldn’t be as much fun, but could be interesting. 1 Quote
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