Is the NFL declining?

[ddaryl]

On 10/20/2024 at 5:38 AM, mannc said:

It blows my mind when I see ostensible football fans advocate for less NFL football on TV, as if three nights a week for 18 weeks per year is just too much to handle…

I only want to watch football on Sundays, and I only want to watch games where a team based in Buffalo is playing. If the Bills ever left Buffalo I won't be watching any football

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

 

 

"I don't like everything the way it is now compared to the way it used to be I remember it used to be."

 

 

Fixed it for you.  😁

 

 

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, JP51 said:

I will say this, I do see so many more unforced pre snap penalties then ever before it seems... the one thing I have noticed is the insane athleticism of WR the catches and body control they make/have to me is way other level... I think the other thing I have noticed is that there are a lot of good young QBs in the leauge where prior it was almost impossible to find them. 

Yes, about the presnap penalties. The formations, the motions, the various options, the tackles eligible. All of it adds complexity and increases the chances that guy screw up. 

 

Yes, about the receivers, too. They're extraordinary. But the league needs to find a way to get back to their being able to make plays downfield.  Right now, they're pretty much hemmed into the line of scrimmage and five or ten yards beyond. 

 

No, about the QBs. I think there are young QBs who fall into the right situation and make big splashes, but they have to have the brains and mental discipline, and experience, to run these complicated offenses. So, you have Stroud being all the rage last season, and now he is struggling. Every season there are one or two who are flashing greatness, but we haven't seen many climb into the true upper tier. As much as I've dumped on Lamar, I've gotta say that he's now upper tier. Mahomes, for sure, and I think Allen, particularly given the maturity he's playing with this season.  As of this season, I'd say not Herbert, not Murray, not Cousins, not Mayfield, not Fields, not Darnold, not the guy in Philadelphia, not Stroud. And I'd say don't crown Daniels in his first season, just as crowning Stroud was premature. 

[JP51]

8 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Yes, about the presnap penalties. The formations, the motions, the various options, the tackles eligible. All of it adds complexity and increases the chances that guy screw up. 

 

Yes, about the receivers, too. They're extraordinary. But the league needs to find a way to get back to their being able to make plays downfield.  Right now, they're pretty much hemmed into the line of scrimmage and five or ten yards beyond. 

 

No, about the QBs. I think there are young QBs who fall into the right situation and make big splashes, but they have to have the brains and mental discipline, and experience, to run these complicated offenses. So, you have Stroud being all the rage last season, and now he is struggling. Every season there are one or two who are flashing greatness, but we haven't seen many climb into the true upper tier. As much as I've dumped on Lamar, I've gotta say that he's now upper tier. Mahomes, for sure, and I think Allen, particularly given the maturity he's playing with this season.  As of this season, I'd say not Herbert, not Murray, not Cousins, not Mayfield, not Fields, not Darnold, not the guy in Philadelphia, not Stroud. And I'd say don't crown Daniels in his first season, just as crowning Stroud was premature. 

Well quite honestly and crowning Lawrence and Herbert were pre mature... I think I am looking at even though Murray, Cousins, Mayfield, Lawrence, etc are not crownable... they are very competant.  I am just remembering the days of Ryan Mallet, Leaf, Mariota, Akili Smith, Russell, Leinart, Jake Locker,brady Quinn etc... super high pick QBs that just didnt cut it... the misses are not as vast as then... but you do have your Picketts and Rosens etc... so I dont know... it just seems QB play has become more competant over the years. 

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, JP51 said:

Well quite honestly and crowning Lawrence and Herbert were pre mature... I think I am looking at even though Murray, Cousins, Mayfield, Lawrence, etc are not crownable... they are very competant.  I am just remembering the days of Ryan Mallet, Leaf, Mariota, Akili Smith, Russell, Leinart, Jake Locker,brady Quinn etc... super high pick QBs that just didnt cut it... the misses are not as vast as then... but you do have your Picketts and Rosens etc... so I dont know... it just seems QB play has become more competant over the years. 

I hear you.  No one had immediate success in those days.  That was because the pro game was so different from college. Now, the pros have adopted a lot principles from the college game, and I think that's why guys are having what seems like more immediate success. I think I heard that Jayden Daniels is running the same offense he ran in college (maybe it was someone else). Then the defenses figure out the tendencies  of these kids and they stop them unless they grow as a field generals. Ultimately, college skills aren't enough to keep anyone on top. 

 

I think Lamar is a good example. He's gotten progressively better, year after year, running the Ravens' passing offense, and that's what keeps him on top. Kudos to him. A lot these kids from college plateau and don't keep advancing. But it is true that some have more success immediately than in earlier eras. 

[stuvian]

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[SoonerBillsFan]

On 11/8/2024 at 11:09 AM, ddaryl said:

I only want to watch football on Sundays, and I only want to watch games where a team based in Buffalo is playing. If the Bills ever left Buffalo I won't be watching any football

If Allen were still playing, I would follow whomever they would become.  Once he retired,  I would be done.