Cleveland Browns building a new dome stadium

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

They will call it "Garrett's Factory Of Sadness"

[HamptonBillsfan]

11 minutes ago, CA OC Bills Fan said:

Neither Vegas or LA have retractable roofs. 

No they have translucent roofs and open sides that in Vegas are retractable . But their Stadiums are protected from the elements that make January games in Buffalo uncomfortable and not as enjoyable to watch if it snows. Tell me watching a game at SOFI or Vegas isn’t a great watch.

[BarleyNY]

24 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

It does have hotels but those are secondary hoteks and not the better ones and restaurants in downtown area 

 

If people want to stay downtown at the Ritz Carlton or the like, then they can just take the rapid up to the game or drive the 10-12 miles to the stadium. The Brook Park location is good as far as stuff to do. There’s plenty nearby and It’s easy to get anywhere on the West Side or downtown Cleveland from there. It is not like downtown is in great shape since Covid anyway. 

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Try taking some time to research the way the the Stadium is being financed. 850 million from taxpayers and another 800 million between state and county. Those funds from state and county could have been earmarked for other worthy taxpayer needs. The stadium is 200 million over appropriated funds. Also Buffalo is statistically the snowiest city with 20 snow days during the season. How many playoff games like the Cinn game or the games played in single digits do fans have withstand. How many times are season ticket holders going to be asked to shovel snow.? 

 

I didn't need to try---every poster on this board but you already knew the answer.   

 

But since you're a real whiz at google, tell us how many snow games have been played in Buffalo in the past, say, 10 years.

 

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Actually stadium acts avoid Highmark because it only has one narrow access to field level, slowing down the process of building and tearing down stages. Bands want to get in and out. If Taylor Swift or Dead & Co was playing at Highmark, people would travel hours to see the show. So local population is not a deterrent. 

 

Do Chris Stapleton et al, have some sort of magic stages that they will be quickly erecting and breaking down for their stadium show in June? 

 

2 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

What’s the point? Isn’t 850million enough taxpayer funding with another huge amount in loans to the Bills. My point was about not having a retractable dome where fans and corporate donors were not given input. Do you prefer an open air stadium for almost 21/2 billion. Cleveland on the other side of the Lake is opting in favor of a retractable dome, why not us?

 

The point is that the taxpayers are not on the hook for billions, or the overruns---you made that all up. Also,  Fans and corporate suite renters aren't asked to decide on stadium details like a dome or not....anywhere.

[QCity]

1 hour ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

 

That’s right 2 decades ago, what was I thinking. SOFI in LA, Jerry’s place in Dallas and the Vegas state of the art Stadium. that are the envy of every fanbase. Perhaps you just love the idea of shoveling snow or drinking yourself into oblivion in order to keep from freezing to death in single digits. Don’t take me seriously just because every new northern stadium will have a dome including Cleveland, who got a new stadium this century.

 

You said retractable roof, not a dome. There's a big difference. Not to worry though, no one is taking your old-man-yells-at-cloud tantrum seriously.

[HamptonBillsfan]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I didn't need to try---every poster on this board but you already knew the answer.   

 

But since you're a real whiz at google, tell us how many snow games have been played in Buffalo in the past, say, 10 years.

 

 

Do Chris Stapleton et al, have some sort of magic stages that they will be quickly erecting and breaking down for their stadium show in June? 

 

 

The point is that the taxpayers are not on the hook for billions, or the overruns---you made that all up. Also,  Fans and corporate suite renters aren't asked to decide on stadium details like a dome or not....anywhere.

Rather than ask about snow games you should proudly tell us that Buffalo had 92”of snowfall this winter and statistically is the snowiest NFL city with 20 snow days during the season. When long term planning is done for a 2 billion dollar project, it’s what could happen. Taxpayers are on the hook 850 million, and the overruns are on the Bills that they’ll finance over a period of years. Buffalo fans will absorb upgraded prices across the board to help with the debt service.I’m not saying that fans and corporate investors are consulted generally but if the prevailing sentiment is for a dome, the Bills should reward loyal fans, who have been stiffed for 40 years with an outdated stadium, with a state of the art NFL experience.

[Pecker]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

If inflation is the culprit, why aren't the other stadiums that are under construction seeing the same overruns?

The Titans stadium, announced at around the same time as ours and also currently under construction, has a current cost overrun of about 5%.

The A's are also building a new stadium right, in expensive Vegas. Their cost-overruns are only 17%

It sure seems like our nearly 40% cost overrun is staggeringly high compared to others.

Sure does. That’s NY for ya.  

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, ***** said:

Sure does. That’s NY for ya.  

Because of all the corruption and hoops that New York needs to jump through to get massive construction projects done 

 

But I don't care because I will pay three times the amount to keep the bills in Buffalo for my children's children to see 

 

The average citizen in New York making $40,000 a year is not paying that much for the new stadium.. it's the guys making $200,000 Plus who are putting in a lot of taxes 

[CA OC Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

No they have translucent roofs and open sides that in Vegas are retractable . But their Stadiums are protected from the elements that make January games in Buffalo uncomfortable and not as enjoyable to watch if it snows. Tell me watching a game at SOFI or Vegas isn’t a great watch.

Never been to Vegas' new stadium but have been to 3 games at SOFI (and a Rolling Stones concert). It's a very sterile environment. 

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

no one is going to have to shovel snow at the new stadium nor will fans sit in seats filled with snow in the new building.

How the hell are we going to throw snowballs at the opposing team?

[MikePJ76]

2 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

 

That’s right 2 decades ago, what was I thinking. SOFI in LA, Jerry’s place in Dallas and the Vegas state of the art Stadium. that are the envy of every fanbase. Perhaps you just love the idea of shoveling snow or drinking yourself into oblivion in order to keep from freezing to death in single digits. Don’t take me seriously just because every new northern stadium will have a dome including Cleveland, who got a new stadium this century.

AT&T stadium in Arlington is awful.  If that’s what you want you are way off. 
 

that place and what it represents is the opposite of Buffalo.

 

It’s like 40% opposing fans every week.  
 

dont even get me started on the rangers ballpark down the street.  Just terrible.

[Doc Brown]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Because of all the corruption and hoops that New York needs to jump through to get massive construction projects done 

 

But I don't care because I will pay three times the amount to keep the bills in Buffalo for my children's children to see 

 

The average citizen in New York making $40,000 a year is not paying that much for the new stadium.. it's the guys making $200,000 Plus who are putting in a lot of taxes 

As long our state tax rate doesn't go up the taxpayers can fund the whole thing for all I care.  They'll just waste it on other nonsense projects anyways knowing the way NYS operates.

[HamptonBillsfan]

23 minutes ago, CA OC Bills Fan said:

Never been to Vegas' new stadium but have been to 3 games at SOFI (and a Rolling Stones concert). It's a very sterile environment. 

I’ll take sterile over subzero windchills or snow.  

[PromoTheRobot]

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Do you think the new stadium will attract more A list artists or just keep having them skip us on their way to Toronto?

They will get more then they do now. 

[Doc Brown]

28 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

I’ll take sterile over subzero windchills or snow.  

We know.

[HamptonBillsfan]

1 hour ago, QCity said:

 

You said retractable roof, not a dome. There's a big difference. Not to worry though, no one is taking your old-man-yells-at-cloud tantrum seriously.

“Old-man-yells-at-clouds-tantrum “  is that a special secret language with a secret handshake type of thing. First you trot out some silly little video with an imbecil giving his personal take on retractable domes. Have you ever even been in a stadium with a retractable dome? When you speak for the board does that make you feel relevant.? Glad I could help you find some self esteem. 

[SoCal Deek]

13 hours ago, Einstein said:

I haven't read the full thread so perhaps you've already answered this, but is the sheer mass of overruns in this project unusual?

I understand overruns are normal, but this seems to be a drastically high number of overrun.

If I was Terry i'd be pissed at whoever estimated the original cost.

Every project is different and I have no idea how far along the design was when the construction team signed a contract for the initial cost. There are three categories of cost overruns.

 

The first category is Owner directed changes. Based solely on the glaring lack of renderings it’s more than likely that the INTERIORS of the stadium (concourse, clubs, restaurants) were barely developed at that time but the schedule was such that they needed to break ground in order to meet a Fall 2026 opening. That doesn’t mean that anyone screwed up. I guarantee the Team all knew that much was left to develop but they collectively decided to get started …especially with the hyper-inflationary environment of the last few years. 

The second category of large cost overruns is what’s known as unforeseen conditions. That’s where the soil is really bad, or the utilities you’re connecting to are falling apart.

 

The final category is outside agency requirements. That’s when the local government swoops in after construction has started and says ‘ya know, we want you to pave the roads for five miles around the site’, or the power company demands that all of their lines be buried or upgraded.

 

In any case, rest assured that there’s a second pair of eyes looking at all cost proposals. The Contractors cannot charge whatever they want. 

 

I hope that answers your question. 

Edited Saturday at 12:49 PM by SoCal Deek

[Pecker]

11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Because of all the corruption and hoops that New York needs to jump through to get massive construction projects done 

 

But I don't care because I will pay three times the amount to keep the bills in Buffalo for my children's children to see 

 

The average citizen in New York making $40,000 a year is not paying that much for the new stadium.. it's the guys making $200,000 Plus who are putting in a lot of taxes 

I moved to Florida.  Best thing I ever did.  Doing my taxes now, probably saved about $30,000 this year between property/income/sales tax.    

[The Firebaugh Kid]

I’m sure it would’ve been millions and millions more but I was saying from the beginning they should’ve created a retractable roof.
This gives you a competitive advantage based upon how you play football.

If you are a very physical team maybe with a running focus you leave the roof open and let it snow.

If you are more of a finesse team such as the 2020 bills, you close that roof and make sure you’re passing game is unaffected by the weather. 
Nobody wants to sit in a dome on a 70° day when it’s sunny out. So I would take an open stadium over a dome if a retractable roof was out of the picture.

3 minutes ago, ***** said:

I moved to Florida.  Best thing I ever did.  Doing my taxes now, probably saved about $30,000 this year between property/income/sales tax.    

So many New Yorkers are moving south. The only thing keeping me here is I’m an employee of New York State and I don’t want to give up my pension but I have a feeling my wife wants me to work forever lol

[billsfanmiamioh]

1 minute ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

I’m sure it would’ve been millions and millions more but I was saying from the beginning they should’ve created a retractable roof.
This gives you a competitive advantage based upon how you play football.

If you are a very physical team maybe with a running focus you leave the roof open and let it snow.

If you are more of a finesse team such as the 2020 bills, you close that roof and make sure you’re passing game is unaffected by the weather. 
Nobody wants to sit in a dome on a 70° day when it’s sunny out. So I would take an open stadium over a dome if a retractable roof was out of the picture.

How many teams actually use them now? I think you’d be hard pressed to find a single one that is closed sometimes and open others. Retractable roofs are dead. They’re not worth the maintenance. It’s dome or open air