Trade Deadline

[Warriorspikes51]

There's probably about a 40% chance Beane makes another trade, but now we could really use 2

starting level DT  +  Impactful Edge or Safety 

I am of course still open to upgrading WR again since Samuel can't stay healthy / isn't playing well / being used right and there is a severe drop off after WR3 

 

 

The Giants really have zero reason to entertain moving Dexter Lawrence, but I would offer a 1st, 2nd and 4th for him.  May as well try.  
Again, extremely unlikely as they'd be eating a lot of dead cap in the next few years.  Absolute monster.   Would give us a top tier DL 

If Beane could pull off moves for Sebastian Joseph-Day +  Azeez Ojulari or Za'Darius Smith,  that would be a home run 

We could actually manage to acquire them because their remaining cap hits are low enough 

IMO Budda Baker won't be realistic because AZ's owner isn't going to retain money 

Edited October 25 by Warriorspikes51

[Saxum]

8 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Why do threads like this happen so frequently? 

🤣

 

Some because the posters do not read the full threads or even threads on other pages so they assume others do not either.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Are there any actual links between Bills interest and any specific players right now?

 

I am still hoping for Budda Baker personally, but a LB would make sense also given neither Bernard nor Milano can stay on the field.  I am not so much worried about DT unless we were able to make a move for a significant DT like Simmons who I was banging the drum for during the draft in the first place.  

 

 

1) No and there never are until after-the-fact.   Beane tries to keep everything he is working on quiet and usually succeeds.

 

2) Simmons would be a good get.  Would add a lot of needed toughness/physicality to that DT position.

[DJB]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

There's probably about a 40% chance Beane makes another trade, but now we could really use 2

starting level DT  +  Impactful Edge or Safety 

I am of course still open to upgrading WR again since Samuel can't stay healthy / isn't playing well / being used right and there is a severe drop off after WR3 

 

 

The Giants really have zero reason to entertain moving Dexter Lawrence, but I would offer a 1st, 2nd and 4th for him.  May as well try.  
Again, extremely unlikely as they'd be eating a lot of dead cap in the next few years.  Absolute monster.   Would give us a top tier DL 

If Beane could pull off moves for Sebastian Joseph-Day +  Azeez Ojulari or Za'Darius Smith,  that would be a home run 

We could actually manage to acquire them because their remaining cap hits are low enough 

IMO Budda Baker won't be realistic because AZ's owner isn't going to retain money 

Isn’t Budda playing the same spot as Rapp? 
 

We need a Hamlin replacement but I feel like McD is too tied to him 

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Bernard is in and out every other week, he cannot stay healthy this year. If you think Spector playing as a starter is going to do anything other than cost us games, you're welcome to live in that world. Milano and Bernard are both injury-prone at a very important position. Dorian Williams is not a backup, he is the only starter we have. We need someone like JOK just to field a healthy LB unit. You cannot advance in the playoffs with question marks at the most important position on D. JOK is owed around a million this year, trade for him and sort out who you keep for next year. He is NOT getting paid big bucks, the Browns would eat his bonuses upon a trade. 

 

JOK doesn’t play MLB my guy.  Spector would still play.  Dorian would be on the bench. That’s why he isn’t ideal.  If Dorian is the only guy you trust….then you need a Mike, not another wlb 

3 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

I understand if you don’t want to dump a ton of money in the LB corps, but there’s no comparison between Wu and Williams. Wu is special. Williams is limited. Also I’d note that Wu would be dirt cheap this season due to the Browns restructuring his salary. 

I know how special he is.  I love him.  I just don’t see how investing more picks and more money into another wlb makes any sense

Edited October 25 by NewEra

[BillsFanForever19]

4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

The acquiring team takes a less than 900k hit for Garret's 2024 number.  His guaranteed $ over the next 2 seasons is quite low as well. We could handle his contract.  He'd likely have his contract re-done and extended if we were to invest Two 1sts in him, which I believe is what the ask will be 

I think Za'Darius Smith makes a lot more sense and is far more realistic. His cap number for acquiring team is also around 900k. 

He has a 15.8 hit next year, which we could handle 

 

Unfortunately, we don't usually seem interested in adding the type of player he is.  A team like the Ravens or Lions will though 

 

It's 806k guaranteed this season and the following years are not guaranteed. But to keep him beyond that, the guarantees in 2025 and 2026 are not "quite low"

 

Which is the problem for us with a Garrett trade. The cost for the Browns to give him up and eat all that Dead Cap is going to be very high, as you suggested. Way beyond what we would pay for someone to have for half a year and then cut them to get out from the guarantees in 2025 and 2026.

 

And when it comes to this coming offseason, we need to either re-sign Amari Cooper and Rasul Douglas or be able to come up with a similar caliber starting WR and starting CB.

 

Not only that, but we're going to need to replace many key depth players (as we sign a lot of 1 year deals) and get a head start on extending the insane amount of core players coming off their Rookie deals the following year. Greg Rousseau, Christian Benford, James Cook, Khalil Shakir, and Christian Benford are all unrestricted after next season.

 

Long story short, yes, he's basically free to have and get out from under after this year. But we're not going to pay what it would take in compensation to acquire him for just this year. And to take him on beyond this year would cost us multiple players next offseason.

 

That's why I don't think Beane will even consider someone who's under contract beyond this season and/or requires a lot in compensation. We'll be looking at guys on the last year of their deal, one year rentals for cheap compensation - much like the Cooper trade.

 

 

Edited October 26 by BillsFanForever19

[Turbo44]

Prediction:

clowney with CAR retaining most of $6m or so in remaining salary

 

to

 

Buffalo for a 4th

 

makes too much sense

[balln]

4 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Prediction:

clowney with CAR retaining most of $6m or so in remaining salary

 

to

 

Buffalo for a 4th

 

makes too much sense

Ew no. 1 sack , 6 tackles. Pff 56. We’re not down DE anyway. And he doesn’t strike me as a McDermott guy 

[White Linen]

39 minutes ago, balln said:

Ew no. 1 sack , 6 tackles. Pff 56. We’re not down DE anyway. And he doesn’t strike me as a McDermott guy 

 

12 tackles and 6 solo.  Two QB hits, 1 sack and 2 tackles for a loss.  I think he is a McD guy because he's ultra responsible against the run.

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

know how special he is.  I love him.  I just don’t see how investing more picks and more money into another wlb makes any sense

 

I think the Bills only do something like this if they’ve decided to move on from Milano. He’ll be 31 before next season starts, only played in 5 games in 2023 and may not play in any this season. He's been one of my favorite Bills, but it’s tough to justify paying him $10M next season. Maybe he reworks his deal to stay, but I think the correct (albeit difficult) decision is to find his replacement. 

[NewEra]

42 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I think the Bills only do something like this if they’ve decided to move on from Milano. He’ll be 31 before next season starts, only played in 5 games in 2023 and may not play in any this season. He's been one of my favorite Bills, but it’s tough to justify paying him $10M next season. Maybe he reworks his deal to stay, but I think the correct (albeit difficult) decision is to find his replacement. 

Idk, maybe I don’t understand his contract.  But I see his cap hit as 16m and dead cap at 17m.  If they cut him post June 1st does something change a great deal?
 

I’d be shocked if Dorian isn’t his replacement. He’s only played LB with us.  Resources are limited and Bernard has one year left on his contract.  Do we pay him?  If so, we need a Mike backup because Bernard is also made of glass, like Milano.
 

I find it hard to believe that we would trade more resources for a third wlb knowing that Bernard needs to be replaced or resigned.  
 

we shall see- but I’d be stunned if we made a trade for him.  I could see us trading for a LB, but an expensive one, 🤷🏻‍♂️ 

 

tbh, I hope I’m wrong, because I like the kid so much and he’d be a demon in this system.  

[BarleyNY]

33 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Idk, maybe I don’t understand his contract.  But I see his cap hit as 16m and dead cap at 17m.  If they cut him post June 1st does something change a great deal?
 

I’d be shocked if Dorian isn’t his replacement. He’s only played LB with us.  Resources are limited and Bernard has one year left on his contract.  Do we pay him?  If so, we need a Mike backup because Bernard is also made of glass, like Milano.
 

I find it hard to believe that we would trade more resources for a third wlb knowing that Bernard needs to be replaced or resigned.  
 

we shall see- but I’d be stunned if we made a trade for him.  I could see us trading for a LB, but an expensive one, 🤷🏻‍♂️ 

 

tbh, I hope I’m wrong, because I like the kid so much and he’d be a demon in this system.  

 

I honestly don’t think the Browns will trade JOK. It wouldn’t be smart. But the numbers are not bad. Vet min plus some per game active roster bonuses this year, then $12.5M in each of the next 3 years. Not much more than what Milano is due. And, yeah, he’d be great on the Bills. 

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I honestly don’t think the Browns will trade JOK. It wouldn’t be smart. But the numbers are not bad. Vet min plus some per game active roster bonuses this year, then $12.5M in each of the next 3 years. Not much more than what Milano is due. And, yeah, he’d be great on the Bills. 

But we’re not just erasing Milanos contract from the books.  He has massive dead cap.  It’s not like we can just cut Milano and pay wu with the savings.  If the dead cap is 17 (but maybe it’s less post 6/1) and wu gets 13…… that’s a lot of money for a wlb, plus giving up a draft pick.  

[Richard Noggin]

3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

And when it comes to this coming offseason, we need to either re-sign Amari Cooper and Rasul Douglas or be able to come up with a similar caliber starting WR and starting CB.

 

Not only that, but we're going to need to replace many key depth players (as we sign a lot of 1 year deals) and get a head start on extending the insane amount of core players coming off their Rookie deals the following year. Greg Rousseau, Christian Benford, James Cook, Khalil Shakir, and Christian Benford are all unrestricted after next season.

 

 

If either Cooper or Douglass are interested in sticking around short-term for slightly under-market value, then the Bills should consider it. Cooper is more important than Douglas for sure imho. But both could leave. 

 

Also agree that Rousseau, Benford, Shakir, and also Benford (LOL) are important guys to try to extend, but disagree that Cook is a great candidate for re-signing. The Bills seem committed to drafting day 2/3 RBs and letting them play cheap. Ray Davis seems like a great candidate to grow into the role. 

 

Benford trumps Douglas, I think we can all agree. Probably bad business to sign both. 

 

Shakir probably trumps Cooper, I think we can all agree? Although it would be nice to stockpile and keep a stable of dangerous WRs. 

[Process]

This actually makes a lot of sense.

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

JOK doesn’t play MLB my guy.  Spector would still play.  Dorian would be on the bench. That’s why he isn’t ideal.  If Dorian is the only guy you trust….then you need a Mike, not another wlb 

I know how special he is.  I love him.  I just don’t see how investing more picks and more money into another wlb makes any sense

I hadn’t even considered him.  Apparently Sports Illustrated thinks he’d fit here

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/cleveland-browns-buffalo-bills-linked-blockbuster-trade-jeremiah-owusu-koramoah

1 minute ago, Process said:

This actually makes a lot of sense.

 

 

depends what happened there.  ESPN Dianna R. Actually tweeted we acquired him then immediately deleted and apologized.  Something obviously happened between our people and his representation / or him.

 

Not sure if Beane would revisit the player

[BillsFanForever19]

2 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

If either Cooper or Douglass are interested in sticking around short-term for slightly under-market value, then the Bills should consider it. Cooper is more important than Douglas for sure imho. But both could leave. 

 

Also agree that Rousseau, Benford, Shakir, and also Benford (LOL) are important guys to try to extend, but disagree that Cook is a great candidate for re-signing. The Bills seem committed to drafting day 2/3 RBs and letting them play cheap. Ray Davis seems like a great candidate to grow into the role. 

 

Benford trumps Douglas, I think we can all agree. Probably bad business to sign both. 

 

Shakir probably trumps Cooper, I think we can all agree? Although it would be nice to stockpile and keep a stable of dangerous WRs. 

 

For the guys who are UFA's after this year, it's clearly Cooper over Douglas. Benford is CB1, Taron is a top Nickel, and Ingram has played well. I think we could go with a cheaper vet that McDermott thinks would fit his system well and/or a Draft Pick there and make it work. However, without Cooper (or a similar level #1), we're back to where we were without him. He needs to come back or we need to find a Cooper level replacement. And as we saw this year, we don't want to go to the Draft for that. You can't rely on a Rookie (especially where we're picking) to be a stud from day 1 at WR.

 

I somewhat agree on Cook. I think when it comes down to the list of core guys we need to retain off their Rookie deal, he's probably the biggest candidate when it comes to letting someone walk. And you don't want to be tying up large amounts of cap on a Running Back. However, over the past two seasons, he has really been an invaluable weapon for us. It's also hard to find that level of shiftiness just anywhere. We spent years with Singletary, Moss, and other RB's trying to find someone like him. If Davis continues to grow and ball, perhaps he can be the main guy. But we'd still need to hit on another Draft Pick that compliments him well in Cook's style.

 

Rousseau, Shakir, and Benford MUST be extended, IMO. Not even a question to me and the sooner the better. And with so many coming up in 2025, we're going to want to do at least a couple this coming offseason to spread them out and so we don't have to worry about all of them at once. Shakir is great, but I don't think it's a matter of Shakir or Cooper. You need them both (or, again, a #1 similar to Cooper). Bernard.... I don't know. I really like him when he's playing. But he's been going down a LOT. If it's just bad luck and he stays relatively healthy for the rest of this season and the next, then yes, i'd want him back. But i'd definitely wait until next year before I worried about him.

 

But the point remains the same. We've got to do too much this coming offseason and the next to be tying up any money in 2025 or 2026 on a trade. 

Edited October 26 by BillsFanForever19

[LABILLBACKER]

5 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I think the Bills only do something like this if they’ve decided to move on from Milano. He’ll be 31 before next season starts, only played in 5 games in 2023 and may not play in any this season. He's been one of my favorite Bills, but it’s tough to justify paying him $10M next season. Maybe he reworks his deal to stay, but I think the correct (albeit difficult) decision is to find his replacement. 

I personally think Matt's future with this team depends on him not only coming back in December but having some impact in the playoffs.  If he can't accomplish either of those things, I'm finding a way to release him or drastically downsize his contract. Enough is enough,  your greatest ability is availability. 

[ganesh]

6 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I think the Bills only do something like this if they’ve decided to move on from Milano. He’ll be 31 before next season starts, only played in 5 games in 2023 and may not play in any this season. He's been one of my favorite Bills, but it’s tough to justify paying him $10M next season. Maybe he reworks his deal to stay, but I think the correct (albeit difficult) decision is to find his replacement. 

The Bills will be forced to move on from Milano, Von and also be free of Diggs contract.  

 

They are paying a lot for Jones and Oliver and they need to come through

[TheWeatherMan]

8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

It's 806k guaranteed this season and the following years are not guaranteed. But to keep him beyond that, the guarantees in 2025 and 2026 are not "quite low"

 

Which is the problem for us with a Garrett trade. The cost for the Browns to give him up and eat all that Dead Cap is going to be very high, as you suggested. Way beyond what we would pay for someone to have for half a year and then cut them to get out from the guarantees in 2025 and 2026.

 

And when it comes to this coming offseason, we need to either re-sign Amari Cooper and Rasul Douglas or be able to come up with a similar caliber starting WR and starting CB.

 

Not only that, but we're going to need to replace many key depth players (as we sign a lot of 1 year deals) and get a head start on extending the insane amount of core players coming off their Rookie deals the following year. Greg Rousseau, Christian Benford, James Cook, Khalil Shakir, and Christian Benford are all unrestricted after next season.

 

Long story short, yes, he's basically free to have and get out from under after this year. But we're not going to pay what it would take in compensation to acquire him for just this year. And to take him on beyond this year would cost us multiple players next offseason.

 

That's why I don't think Beane will even consider someone who's under contract beyond this season and/or requires a lot in compensation. We'll be looking at guys on the last year of their deal, one year rentals for cheap compensation - much like the Cooper trade.

 

 

Wondering if Garrett would agree to an extension through 2027 which was fully guaranteed around $25M per year.  Throw a couple void years at the end and back load the contract and we could get him to 800K this year $10M in 2025 $15M in 2026 $25M in 2027 void years 12.5M in 2028/2029.  3 year cost controlled window to chase the Lombardi.