Trade Deadline

[Dick_Cheney]

There’s been an uptick in chatter about Maxx Crosby being available. I still don’t entirely believe that he is, but if somehow he’s on the block I really hope we are in the conversation. 

 

Surely he’s worth a first and a third at least. 

Edited Saturday at 05:52 PM by Dick_Cheney

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Wondering if Garrett would agree to an extension through 2027 which was fully guaranteed around $25M per year.  Throw a couple void years at the end and back load the contract and we could get him to 800K this year $10M in 2025 $15M in 2026 $25M in 2027 void years 12.5M in 2028/2029.  3 year cost controlled window to chase the Lombardi.  

 

We have 10.6m total in cap space right now for 2025.

 

On top of Amari Cooper and Rasul Douglas (and all the core members I listed that we have to get a jump on before they're all FA's the following year), we have 13 other Free Agents from our 53 that will need to be brought back or replaced.

 

Giving 10m to Garrett is going to keep us from bringing back core members of our team next year and/or the following year. It would make it very hard to bring Amari Cooper back. 

 

I'm not interested in that and I don't think Beane would be either. Make moves like the Cooper deal that improve us now and don't make it harder on us to retain guys like Cooper, Douglas, Benford, Shakir, Rousseau, Cook, and Bernard.

Edited Saturday at 09:58 AM by BillsFanForever19

[TheWeatherMan]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

We have 10.6m total in cap space right now for 2025.

 

On top of Amari Cooper and Rasul Douglas (and all the core members I listed that we have to get a jump on before they're all FA's the following year), we have 13 other Free Agents from our 53 that will need to be brought back or replaced.

 

Giving 10m to Garrett is going to keep us from bringing back core members of our team next year and/or the following year. It would make it very hard to bring Amari Cooper back. 

 

I'm not interested in that and I don't think Beane would be either. Make moves like the Cooper deal that improve us now and don't make it harder on us to retain guys like Cooper, Douglas, Benford, Shakir, Rousseau, Cook, and Bernard.

So no contract adjustments, cap increases, or cuts will be made in 2025 so the Bills will roll with a 10M budget? 

[TheBeaneBandit]

11 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

So no contract adjustments, cap increases, or cuts will be made in 2025 so the Bills will roll with a 10M budget? 

I believe Diggs money comes off and what about a potential Miller cut. Those two alone should help tremendously. 

[TheWeatherMan]

15 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

I believe Diggs money comes off and what about a potential Miller cut. Those two alone should help tremendously. 

A Von Miller cut saves 17.5M (post June 1) and Cap should go up by 10-15M.  That’s 45-50M in cap space with no other adjustments.  

[BarleyNY]

10 hours ago, NewEra said:

But we’re not just erasing Milanos contract from the books.  He has massive dead cap.  It’s not like we can just cut Milano and pay wu with the savings.  If the dead cap is 17 (but maybe it’s less post 6/1) and wu gets 13…… that’s a lot of money for a wlb, plus giving up a draft pick.  

 

This is true. I look at it this way:

- Cash: Looking at future cash payouts to players is the appropriate way to compare two players. The 2024 hit would be negligible and then Wu has cash payouts of $5.25M* in 2025 and then $12.5M each in 2026 and 2027 at while Milano has ‘25 & ‘26 at $10M each. So we’d have Wu for 3 years at almost the exact the same AAV as Milano. 

- Cap: The accounting of cash paid and due is something that has to work too. In this case Wu’s contract is structured to kick cap hits down the road as far as possible. By my calculations he’d only have a $2.68M cap hit in 2025. If the Bills cut Milano they’d lose about $1.13M in cap space due to $17.25 M in dead cap. They could push some of that out with a post 6/1 designation. But the thing to remember about dead cap like this - it’s a sunk cost. The cap would be okay in this case though.

- Trade: You gotta give up something of value to get something of value. So I’m not opposed to giving up a decent pick. I just haven’t settled on how much I’d give up. 
 

* I misread his contract details prior to my last post. I thought all three years were at $12.5M, but 2025 is $5.25M. The Browns contracts are tough to decipher but cash payouts are at the bottom of OTC’s player pages and that helps. 

[ganesh]

8 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Wondering if Garrett would agree to an extension through 2027 which was fully guaranteed around $25M per year.  Throw a couple void years at the end and back load the contract and we could get him to 800K this year $10M in 2025 $15M in 2026 $25M in 2027 void years 12.5M in 2028/2029.  3 year cost controlled window to chase the Lombardi.  

This would be awesome...of course we will be without our 1st rounder in 2025 (and probably some more)

[4merper4mer]

7 minutes ago, ganesh said:

This would be awesome...of course we will be without our 1st rounder in 2025 (and probably some more)

Would have been better if we did it BEFORE playing Mason Rudolph.

[Jerboski]

If you can add Myles or Mason for a first then you do it 

 

they are season changing players 

[ganesh]

6 minutes ago, Jerboski said:

If you can add Myles or Mason for a first then you do it 

 

they are season changing players 

Rudolph ?   😜

[Jerboski]

Just now, ganesh said:

Rudolph ?   😜

Heck yeah 

franchise qb 

[gonzo1105]

4 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

This is true. I look at it this way:

- Cash: Looking at future cash payouts to players is the appropriate way to compare two players. The 2024 hit would be negligible and then Wu has cash payouts of $5.25M* in 2025 and then $12.5M each in 2026 and 2027 at while Milano has ‘25 & ‘26 at $10M each. So we’d have Wu for 3 years at almost the exact the same AAV as Milano. 

- Cap: The accounting of cash paid and due is something that has to work too. In this case Wu’s contract is structured to kick cap hits down the road as far as possible. By my calculations he’d only have a $2.68M cap hit in 2025. If the Bills cut Milano they’d lose about $1.13M in cap space due to $17.25 M in dead cap. They could push some of that out with a post 6/1 designation. But the thing to remember about dead cap like this - it’s a sunk cost. The cap would be okay in this case though.

- Trade: You gotta give up something of value to get something of value. So I’m not opposed to giving up a decent pick. I just haven’t settled on how much I’d give up. 
 

* I misread his contract details prior to my last post. I thought all three years were at $12.5M, but 2025 is $5.25M. The Browns contracts are tough to decipher but cash payouts are at the bottom of OTC’s player pages and that helps. 

 

I fully expect the Bills to ask Milano to take a pay cut. He doesn't have to do it but Milano strikes me as the type that would consider it. We just can't get rid of him until 2026 due to his cap hits.

[BADOLBILZ]

13 hours ago, Process said:

This actually makes a lot of sense.

 

 

 

 

As @Warriorspikes51 said,  if Beane can't get over that deal he thought he had in place falling thru it won't happen.   But it makes a lot of sense.   The story has been told, but he met his wife in WNY and the in-laws are Bills fans etc..  

 

Actually a lot of these teams trading their near-age-30 stud DL makes sense because it looks like DL will be the strength of the 2025 draft.    And if you are the Browns or Raiders what you really want are 2026 first rounders.   If you hang on to Garrett or Crosby for another season you might not get a 2026 #1.   That's the Arch Manning draft class which figures to be a deeper draft in addition to being better stocked at QB.

Edited Saturday at 05:53 PM by BADOLBILZ

[TheBeaneBandit]

30 minutes ago, ganesh said:

Rudolph ?   😜

Most definitely. Also gives Josh a few more seasons to develop 😎

[Solomon Grundy]

14 hours ago, Process said:

This actually makes a lot of sense.

 

 

Isn't his significant other from the Buffalo area?

[machine gun kelly]

8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

We have 10.6m total in cap space right now for 2025.

 

On top of Amari Cooper and Rasul Douglas (and all the core members I listed that we have to get a jump on before they're all FA's the following year), we have 13 other Free Agents from our 53 that will need to be brought back or replaced.

 

Giving 10m to Garrett is going to keep us from bringing back core members of our team next year and/or the following year. It would make it very hard to bring Amari Cooper back. 

 

I'm not interested in that and I don't think Beane would be either. Make moves like the Cooper deal that improve us now and don't make it harder on us to retain guys like Cooper, Douglas, Benford, Shakir, Rousseau, Cook, and Bernard.

 

These are insightful thoughts as ate so much dead cap this year (a good decision to me) so extensions for the core mentioned above will provide more stability, we can’t restructure everyone for next year, amd Vons back next week.

 

Lastly, we have 10 draft spots next year, and 6 of them are in the top 4 rounds, and another in the 5th.  We can replenish a lot of cheap talent and maybe a couple of hits in the front end of the draft.  This is how we get better, and say yes to the players this op wrote to extend.

[TheBeaneBandit]

4 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Isn't his significant other from the Buffalo area?

Definitely like him but doesn't he mostly line up at Oliver's spot? Not that it matters you make talent like that work.

[AkwiredTste]

14 hours ago, Process said:

This actually makes a lot of sense.

 

 

Massare usually makes alot of sense. Siracuse though  "cringe"

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Definitely like him but doesn't he mostly line up at Oliver's spot? Not that it matters you make talent like that work.

 

 

He can play both.   And with the injury to Carter they need 3 tech help too.

10 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Isn't his significant other from the Buffalo area?

 

 

Yes.   Hornell, specifically.   The family own a car dealership there.  

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

I fully expect the Bills to ask Milano to take a pay cut. He doesn't have to do it but Milano strikes me as the type that would consider it. We just can't get rid of him until 2026 due to his cap hits.

I agree that the likely course is Milano taking a paycut (with incentives added to compensate him fully if he stays healthy). But people here should know that if Diggs can get cut with $31M in dead cap, then cutting Milano is also a realistic possibility.