Trade Deadline

[PoundingDog]

Chris Jones is a HoF level player. I believe you need more than one HoF level players (or players playing at HoL level for one particular season) to have a chance for Superbowl in today's NFL where there is a dominating team like the Chiefs. For the Bills, having such a player at DT position is the most important because the defense scheme they play. 

[US Egg]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:15 PM, MJS said:

I think we have about $2 million in cap space. I just don't think it is responsible or even possible to fit another high cap player on the team. The Bills are already taking it on the chin this year in clearing dead money.

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We don’t need buzzkills like you who ruin total conjecture threads with your smarty pants logic.

[DCofNC]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:45 PM, PoundingDog said:

Chris Jones is a HoF level player. I believe you need more than one HoF level players (or players playing at HoL level for one particular season) to have a chance for Superbowl in today's NFL where there is a dominating team like the Chiefs. For the Bills, having such a player at DT position is the most important because the defense scheme they play. 

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Beane must not agree bc the resources used at DT are all for mid tier or less players and he’s spent big on DE

[Logic]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:28 PM, SoTier said:

 

I think that the media types are assuming that Cooper is a part-season rental, but my guess is that it's really a try out to see if he fits the Bills and he wants to be a Bill in 2025.   I would love to have Myles Garrett on the Bills but I don't think it happens even if Cleveland was interested in dealing him, which I'm not sure they are.

 

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I think the key part of the Amari Cooper trade that doesn't get talked about enough is that if the Bills DO let him walk next year, they could very likely receive a third round compensatory pick in return, meaning they would've essentially gotten him for the 2024 season in exchange for $800k and dropping, say, 12 spots in the 3rd round.

It was literally the PERFECT deal for Beane: Low financial compensation, with a shot to either re-sign the player next year or re-coup the pick he used to acquire him. 

Garrett would not be that. Garrett would be sending multiple high picks and making him the highest paid defender in NFL history. I just don't see how people think that's a realistic thing that the Bills are likely to do.

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by Logic

[mannc]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:18 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Isn’t there already a super long Myles Garrett thread? 
 

And hasn’t there been zero indication that the browns would ever in a million years trade their cornerstone franchise defensive player in his prime? 

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Didn't you know that most other NFL teams are highly motivated to help the Bills?

[NewEra]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:03 PM, Bray Wyatt said:

This would not be a Von Miller scenario. Garrett is 28 years old and was just DPOY.  He is the exact type of player we would hope to draft high (we will never be high enough to draft one in Josh's era). He would change our defense for years. If he is actually available (I have doubts), you make this work imo

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It wouldn’t be a von miller type situation because we didn’t have to give up 6 high draft picks for him

[MiracleAtRich1393]

  On 10/25/2024 at 1:38 PM, Cuboirs said:

If BB says we're going All in wouldn't that have to mean get everything(most impactful) you can obviously within the cap. In this scenario wouldn't the best option be Myles Garrett?  Or is there someone else that's available that would Trump that move ...Then what's the most you'd give up for him? A 1st?

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Assuming he's healthy, I'd offer them Epenesa, Elam, Solomon, 2025 1st, 2025 2nd (Diggs pick), and a 2026 2nd. Super Bowl.

[DCofNC]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:53 PM, US Egg said:

We don’t need buzzkills like you who ruin total conjecture threads with your smarty pants logic.

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Especially when he’s wrong.

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:55 PM, NewEra said:

It wouldn’t be a von miller type situation because we didn’t have to give up 6 high draft picks for him

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Right because he was already past his prime and being let walk.

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:57 PM, MiracleAtRich1393 said:

Assuming he's healthy, I'd offer them Epenesa, Elam, Solomon, 2025 1st, 2025 2nd (Diggs pick), and a 2026 2nd. Super Bowl.

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Add another 1st and you might have a conversation 

[MiracleAtRich1393]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:54 PM, Logic said:

I think the key part of the Amari Cooper trade that doesn't get talked about enough is that if the Bills DO let him walk next year, they could very likely receive a third round compensatory pick in return, meaning they would've essentially gotten him for the 2024 season in exchange for $800k and dropping, say, 12 spots in the 3rd round.

It was literally the PERFECT deal for Beane: Low financial compensation, with a shot to either re-sign the player next year or re-coup the pick he used to acquire him. 

Garrett would not be that. Garrett would be sending multiple high picks and making him the highest paid defender in NFL history. I just don't see how people think that's a realistic thing that the Bills are likely to do.

 

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Chris Jones & Aaron Donald have been just as much or more of the reason their teams have won the last 4 super Bowls as their blue chip QBs. Don't make Josh wait until he's Stafford's age on a new team to give him one of those game wrecking monsters on the DLine. If it's there, you go and get it by almost any means necessary.

[PoundingDog]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:54 PM, DCofNC said:

Beane must not agree bc the resources used at DT are all for mid tier or less players and he’s spent big on DE

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He tried but misfired. He chose Ed Oliver but there are others that are better, like Simmons. Then DE position jumped higher in need so he focused on that. D Cater may have something because DT usually takes awhile to develop. But he needs to continue to shoot in that direction because Oliver is just good not great. And the Bills getting smaller in DB position after Edmunds left and it does not look like they are going to upgrade LB position soon. Better bolster DT position then.

[MiracleAtRich1393]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:57 PM, DCofNC said:

Especially when he’s wrong.

Right because he was already past his prime and being let walk.

Add another 1st and you might have a conversation 

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I see 2025 1st & third plus 2026 first & third thrown around all the time on speculation. I feel like three players on low contracts plus a first and two seconds beats that 🤷‍♂️

[Beast]

Is 2 first round picks really “mortgaging the future” if that was the compensation for a player of Garrett’s abilities?

 

One of those first round picks we would be using next April. Is that rookie going to make the impact Garrett would?

 

The second first round pick is what you’d really be giving up.

 

Now, it was YEARS ago, but even back then draft picks were much more valuable when free agency wasn’t as prevalent . The compensation we gave up for Cornelius Bennett in 1987 was ridiculous. The Bills took off after that trade was made and didn’t look back until after Kelly retired.

 

You can’t be afraid of giving up picks if you feel a player can put you over the top.

 

 

[MiracleAtRich1393]

  On 10/25/2024 at 3:03 PM, PoundingDog said:

He tried but misfired. He chose Ed Oliver but there are others that are better, like Simmons. Then DE position jumped higher in need so he focused on that. D Cater may have something because DT usually takes awhile to develop. But he needs to continue to shoot in that direction because Oliver is just good not great. And the Bills getting smaller in DB position after Edmunds left and it does not look like they are going to upgrade LB position soon. Better bolster DT position then.

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Yes agreed we have a lot of good but not great D linemen. Oliver & Rousseau can flash & pop at times when they have a favorable matchup but they disappear in the big time far too often. I love DaQuan Jones but he's been injured the last two years in the playoffs and is getting up there in age. He's not a consistent game wrecker but a very nice piece at 1T. At this point the hope is Von comes back with even fresher legs for the home stretch and commands some attention like he did in '22 so the other guys can get favorable matchups. And of course, all have to be healthy for the playoffs or it falls apart like a house of cards.

 

It could definitely play out that way, but I like selling a small piece of the farm for an absolute stud like Garrett better than the hope.

[Bray Wyatt]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:55 PM, NewEra said:

It wouldn’t be a von miller type situation because we didn’t have to give up 6 high draft picks for him

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Where are you getting 6 high draft picks from? (I dont think anyone is paying that)

[Sojourner]

  On 10/25/2024 at 3:08 PM, Beast said:

Is 2 first round picks really “mortgaging the future” if that was the compensation for a player of Garrett’s abilities?

 

One of those first round picks we would be using next April. Is that rookie going to make the impact Garrett would?

 

The second first round pick is what you’d really be giving up.

 

Now, it was YEARS ago, but even back then draft picks were much more valuable when free agency wasn’t as prevalent . The compensation we gave up for Cornelius Bennett in 1987 was ridiculous. The Bills took off after that trade was made and didn’t look back until after Kelly retired.

 

You can’t be afraid of giving up picks if you feel a player can put you over the top.

 

 

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Mortgaging the future? Depends on your perspective.

 

One, you get an immediate top-3 player at his position where there’s very little elite talent. You also have that talent until 2027 without an extension. 

The other, you’re giving up essentially 10 years of prospective play from 2 different positions. A chance to recoup future picks with trades or a chance to have better commodities to trade up for someone you believe to be elite at 5 of those 10 years at a team friendly cost controlled basis. 
 

 

Your last point is the most important. If this team feels Garrett, or any player fetching that price, can move the needle then they do it. 
 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by Sojourner

[dma0034]

Forget about the cost to acquire Garrett. Could the Bills fit him under he cap for the duration of his contract?

[NewEra]

  On 10/25/2024 at 3:09 PM, Bray Wyatt said:

 

Where are you getting 6 high draft picks from? (I dont think anyone is paying that)

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I made it up-  I don’t think anyone is paying that either.  I do think it would cost 2 firsts, 1 2nd and possibly a late rounder 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:02 PM, Fleezoid said:

 

While I agree that Garrett might be too pricey for the Bills current salary situation, constantly doing things to protect the future has only gotten the Bills far enough to make the playoffs and win a playoff game or two. kicking the can down the road and no SB in 50+ years is giving me a real sour taste. At some point you have to live in the now! When will that be? Next year? 2 years? The old Bills fan mantra "there's always next year", makes me nauseous now. 

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Trading for Cooper wasn't a "there's always next year" kind of a move... what do you expect in a transition year like this one? Beane jettisoned the older players and bit the bullet cap wise and that is what great teams do. While it isn't perfect it is what we have to do to remain a force and not just grasp for shiny objects.

[balln]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:54 PM, Logic said:

I think the key part of the Amari Cooper trade that doesn't get talked about enough is that if the Bills DO let him walk next year, they could very likely receive a third round compensatory pick in return, meaning they would've essentially gotten him for the 2024 season in exchange for $800k and dropping, say, 12 spots in the 3rd round.

It was literally the PERFECT deal for Beane: Low financial compensation, with a shot to either re-sign the player next year or re-coup the pick he used to acquire him. 

Garrett would not be that. Garrett would be sending multiple high picks and making him the highest paid defender in NFL history. I just don't see how people think that's a realistic thing that the Bills are likely to do.

 

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The most they can get is a 5th rd pick bc he’s a 10 year vet 

[Sojourner]

  On 10/25/2024 at 4:56 PM, balln said:

The most they can get is a 5th rd pick bc he’s a 10 year vet 

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Great point that’s overlooked. They essentially are looking to have swapped a 3rd for a 5th if they let him walk. 
 

Not awful, not great. Reasonable for a guy of his talents for the remainder of the year @ a position of need.