Trade Deadline

[MikePJ76]

The bills have two veteran starters at safety who they like plus a 2nd round safety with a great skill set.  Plus they have two more veterans, one in edwards on the roster and one in Jackson on the practice squad.

 

hard to think they invest anymore resources in the safety position this year.

[TOboy]

27 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

The bills have two veteran starters at safety who they like plus a 2nd round safety with a great skill set.  Plus they have two more veterans, one in edwards on the roster and one in Jackson on the practice squad.

 

hard to think they invest anymore resources in the safety position this year.

It’s not that they don’t have enough safeties, it’s that they don’t have good enough safeties. 
 

We all know it’s a position McD values more than most coaches. 
 

That said, if I were a betting man, I think Micah returning is more likely than a trade for a S. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

23 minutes ago, TOboy said:

It’s not that they don’t have enough safeties, it’s that they don’t have good enough safeties. 
 

We all know it’s a position McD values more than most coaches. 
 

That said, if I were a betting man, I think Micah returning is more likely than a trade for a S. 

We need bigger DL and LB's.  Hyde? An old, slow guy with a bad neck?  Wow....

[jcamm1966]

Delpit injury prone

[Warriorspikes51]

55 minutes ago, TOboy said:

It’s not that they don’t have enough safeties, it’s that they don’t have good enough safeties. 
 

We all know it’s a position McD values more than most coaches. 
 

That said, if I were a betting man, I think Micah returning is more likely than a trade for a S. 

Please let the man enjoy retirement.  It would take him a month to be ready for a game I imagine and why risk another injury 

[BigAl2526]

On 10/23/2024 at 3:41 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I think the team is fine with Hamlin/Rapp back there. I don’t get it myself. 

My concern is that play after play, and especially on third downs, opposing WRs are finding ample separation underneath, making them easy targets for QBs content to move the chains.  I think at least some of that is on the safeties.  Maybe the linebackers share some of the blame, but the defensive line has been getting some pressure.

[SoonerBillsFan]

If things are going to happen, it will be Monday after our game with Seattle.

[BillsFanForever19]

3 hours ago, HT02 said:

I'm hoping to upgrade at safety with Budda Baker

 

Hamlin is not playing at a liability level. He's not viewed by the powers that be as remotely the problem fans view him. He's been fine at FS. His 2 INT's through 7 games match the total combined INT's from Hyde and Poyer combined through the entire 2023 campaign.

 

Is Budda Baker a better player? Unquestionably. But he'd have to learn a complicated system on the fly, which narrows the margin. And when we make a Trade, it's because the position group is underperforming and/or the cupboard is bare at the position and the upgrade is a need. I don't see them viewing Safety as that situation.

 

And if they did, we have a lot in house. Cole Bishop and Mike Edwards have to be up to speed by now after missing the entire Training Camp and Pre-Season. The Practice Squad includes Kareem Jackson (a long term starting veteran) and Lewis Cine (a former 1st Round Pick and Starter). Like Bishop and Edwards, they missed most, or all in Cine's case, of Training Camp and the Pre-Season by signing with us late. But by now, they're probably up to speed.

 

If Hamlin starts to show as a liability, we have no shortage of guys who have been here and know the system that could be plugged in and potentially provide more.

Edited Thursday at 08:22 PM by BillsFanForever19

[FireChans]

12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Hamlin is not playing at a liability level. He's not viewed by the powers that be as remotely the problem fans view him. He's been fine at FS. His 2 INT's through 7 games match the total combined INT's from Hyde and Poyer combined through the entire 2023 campaign.

 

Is Budda Baker a better player? Unquestionably. But he'd have to learn a complicated system on the fly, which narrows the margin. And when we make a Trade, it's because the position group is underperforming and/or the cupboard is bare at the position and the upgrade is a need. I don't see them viewing Safety as that situation.

 

And if they did, we have a lot in house. Cole Bishop and Mike Edwards have to be up to speed by now after missing the entire Training Camp and Pre-Season. The Practice Squad includes Kareem Jackson (a long term starting veteran) and Lewis Cine (a former 1st Round Pick and Starter). Like Bishop and Edwards, they missed most, or all in Cine's case, of Training Camp and the Pre-Season by signing with us late. But by now, they're probably up to speed.

 

If Hamlin starts to show as a liability, we have no shortage of guys who have been here and know the system that could be plugged in and potentially provide more.

Man, we are really singing the dudes praises for an airmailed pass into his chest and a tipped ball play made by the best DB on the team.

[Sojourner]

8 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Hamlin is not playing at a liability level. He's not viewed by the powers that be as remotely the problem fans view him. He's been fine at FS. His 2 INT's through 7 games match the total combined INT's from Hyde and Poyer combined through the entire 2023 campaign.

 

Is Budda Baker a better player? Unquestionably. But he'd have to learn a complicated system on the fly, which narrows the margin. And when we make a Trade, it's because the position group is underperforming and the upgrade is a need. I don't see them viewing Safety as that situation.

 

And if they did, we have a lot in house. Cole Bishop and Mike Edwards have to be up to speed by now after missing the entire Training Camp and Pre-Season. The Practice Squad includes Kareem Jackson (a long term starting veteran) and Lewis Cine (a former 1st Round Pick and Starter). Like Bishop and Edwards, they missed most, or all in Cine's case, of Training Camp and the Pre-Season by signing with us late. But by now, they're probably up to speed.

 

If Hamlin starts to show as a liability, we have no shortage of guys who have been here and know the system that could be plugged in and provide more.

Totally agree that he isn’t a liability but we can do better and I think that’s the standing point with many people who are fans of our team. 
 

There’s a reason they brought in Kareem Jackson, Burgess and Mike Edwards on top of drafting Cole Bishop with a premium pick. If they viewed Hamlin as quality would we have seen the assortment of acquisitions? 
 

It’s undoubtably tough to replace Poyer and Hyde but given the ups and downs we’ve seen in coverage from the guys infront of Hamlin and Rapp in the LB unit when does it become a problem?

 

Does become a problem at some point like we saw in 2022 when he was a starter? Does it happen in the season when it can still be addressed or when the ship has run its course and we are in a win or go home? Does it even happen at all? Who knows. The point is there’s deficiencies there. 
 

Can you have the absolute best at every position? Of course not but there is guys who are better at that free position than him. 

 

I like Hamlin, definitely a player in the league but can be better. If we stick with him, nothing else but support him and hope the negative portions don’t rear their head when it matters. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Man, we are really singing the dudes praises for an airmailed pass into his chest and a tipped ball play made by the best DB on the team.

This s**t right here. Inflated circumstantial INTs have fooled the masses for too long. The search for another safety continues....

[SoonerBillsFan]

43 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

This s**t right here. Inflated circumstantial INTs have fooled the masses for too long. The search for another safety continues....

this fanbase greatly over values the Safety position. How many super Bowl Appearances with Hyde and Poyer?  Did 13 seconds still happen with them? YES.  We need a better DL and better LB's long before Safeties.  Our DL still isn't getting sacks, and we are one of the worst yards per average against the run.

 

Football begins and ends with Both lines and QB. We have 2 of the 3 so far and the 3rd is a liability. 

[Logic]

54 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Man, we are really singing the dudes praises for an airmailed pass into his chest and a tipped ball play made by the best DB on the team.

I really don't think saying that Hamlin "hasn't been playing at a liability level" is singing his praises all that strongly. 

As for the INTs, you can dissect ANY player's interceptions, and you'll often find tipped balls, gimmes and gifts, etc. 

The fact is that he made the plays. You can call it luck or you can call it "being in the right place and doing your job". I prefer the latter, but you may prefer the former.

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

We need bigger DL and LB's.  Hyde? An old, slow guy with a bad neck?  Wow....

Devin White would've been a nice pick up. Signed with Texans 

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Man, we are really singing the dudes praises for an airmailed pass into his chest and a tipped ball play made by the best DB on the team.

 

I don't know how my saying someone hasn't been a liability and has been fine is construed as me singing their praises. 

 

There's a large area between saying someone is trash and needs to be replaced and saying someone is great. I'm saying thus far neither is true.

 

1 hour ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

The search for another safety continues....

 

Among the fanbase, sure. But among the decision makers? I don't know.

 

Hamlin ended up starting almost by default after the injuries to Bishop and Edwards causing them to miss the entire offseason and his own strong offseason. And further additions in Kareem Jackson and Lewis Cine having between no time at all or very little time to learn the playbook and practice time to gel with the Defense.

 

Entering Week 8, they're all presumably up to speed now. Prevailing thought was Hamlin would be a liability and it was just a matter of time before one of them (most likely Edwards) would take over. That hasn't happened. Which to me speaks more to them being pleased with Hamlin's performance rather than everyone underneath him being atrocious.

 

While I wouldn't be against someone like Budda coming in - I don't think they're "searching" for more. It seems to me they like Hamlin and if he turns into a pumpkin like many expect, that they'd sooner turn to an Edwards, Bishop, or Jackson.

Edited Thursday at 09:39 PM by BillsFanForever19

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

He's been fine at FS. His 2 INT's through 7 games match the total combined INT's from Hyde and Poyer combined through the entire 2023 campaign

 

21 minutes ago, Logic said:

I really don't think saying that Hamlin "hasn't been playing at a liability level" is singing his praises all that strongly. 

As for the INTs, you can dissect ANY player's interceptions, and you'll often find tipped balls, gimmes and gifts, etc. 

The fact is that he made the plays. You can call it luck or you can call it "being in the right place and doing your job". I prefer the latter, but you may prefer the former.

Okay. 
 

I would go as far as to say, despite Hamlin having more picks than Hyde and Poyer in 2023 (lol) he has not been good. In fact, I think the 2023 versions of those old washed dudes (now one retired, the other basically retired collecting one last paycheck) were far better than what Hamlin has put on tape his whole career, including this year.

 

Hamlin is probably the weakest player on the defense. You can make an argument for Williams but I think he’s played better. He is a liability because he is arguably the worst player out there, he’s slow, he takes bad angles, and he’s constantly late or out of position. 
 

He’s playing better than he did in 2022, so I’ll give him credit there. He’s still a weakness on this roster. So much so that the coaching staff is petrified to let him play single high because they do not trust him or Rapp to be the last line of defense. 
 

Bishop not relegating this dude to the bench by like week 2 of TC is the real problem.

12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Which to me speaks more to them being pleased with Hamlin's performance rather than everyone underneath him being atrocious.

Bishop in spot duty was actually kind of atrocious. So I don’t know the argument there?

 

Is it possible that Hamlin is bad, but the least bad? Sure. He’s still bad.

Edited Thursday at 09:41 PM by FireChans

[MiracleAtRich1393]

31 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

this fanbase greatly over values the Safety position. How many super Bowl Appearances with Hyde and Poyer?  Did 13 seconds still happen with them? YES.  We need a better DL and better LB's long before Safeties.  Our DL still isn't getting sacks, and we are one of the worst yards per average against the run.

 

Football begins and ends with Both lines and QB. We have 2 of the 3 so far and the 3rd is a liability. 

Until Von comes back and we trade for Myles Garrett LFGGGGGGGGG

[BigDingus]

3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Please let the man enjoy retirement.  It would take him a month to be ready for a game I imagine and why risk another injury 

 

You're saying that like we have any say in the matter 😅

 

I agree & would prefer Hyde enjoy retirement, but I'm not sure McDermott would feel the same way if he thinks the S position is still a weakness

[finn]

4 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

We need bigger DL and LB's.  Hyde? An old, slow guy with a bad neck?  Wow....

Slower than Hamlin? No. Smarter, savvier, better in coverage? Yes. 

[Sierra Foothills]

I would bet that the Buffalo Bills don't think they have a problem at Safety.

 

I would also bet that their opinion of that position group is higher than most of the Safety naysayers who post here.

 

I believe that McBeane means it when they say that football games are won in the trenches.

 

Because of this I would guess that if the Bills make any more moves, that they will be on the defensive line or at linebacker, before safety.

 

What I want more than anything is a DT who is stout against the run and can push the pocket and create pressure on the QB.