WMDman Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 2 minutes ago, JP51 said: Yes even when Rapp was out... Surprised he didn't get n... so basically he just isn't very good... big contract for a 4th safety. he makes less than a million a year... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago Defense is giving up chunk yards and explosive plays with abandon. McDermott isn’t going to play a guy that hasn’t gotten his assignments down as yet. However, Bishop seemed to get better last week as the game went on, so that was encouraging. But Rapp is back so Bishop goes to the bench, and Rapp showed against the Jets that is the right move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 7 minutes ago, balln said: Future is now. If he’s not an immediate starter- as a second rd safety !!!!! What are we doing drafting him then. Hes a poyer / strong safety replacement. I’d argue you should never draft that in 2nd rd. We need a god dang FREE so badly. Niners have the rookie from wake who’s starting and making plays. 4th rd. It’s just that simple Not the way it works in this scheme. Safeties are the key to the entire defense. If he can't be relied upon to do what he is supposed to do on every play and not get smoked deep then he will not play until he can be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago Just now, balln said: Pleasantly surprised how? Hes just there. Plays 60 yards off. Let’s the other guy catch it 10 yards away in soft zone. When he’s actually near a wr on the Hail Mary he doesn’t do anything. No play on the ball. Ok well I’m not a hard core evaluator like yourself. But for what it’s worth PFF had he and Rapp rated as top 5 D players against the Jets. Does he have coverage concerns? Yes, but he is doing a decent job in the role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP51 Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago Just now, QLBillsFan said: That’s possible but he is the back up for Hamlin. A guy who has been in the Bills system for a few years. I think he may not offer as much on ST so he doesn’t suit up. I would think he would do a reasonable job if called upon. just not overly impressed with Hamlin, felt like we can do better... but I am not gonna lie... I just havent seen this guy except for when he was in KC, so I really dont know how well he plays... it does seem at this point the signing was way over hyped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago You guys keep talking about how he can’t be trusted or McDermott can’t play him because he doesn’t know his assignments. OK that’s fine if he was 6th rd. My whole point is you don’t take that player that maybe or maybe not can play now in the second round. When you have a huge hole at both safety spots. It should be a sure thing or you draft something else it’s a sure thing and you hope that Cole falls later in the draft. 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Not the way it works in this scheme. Safeties are the key to the entire defense. If he can't be relied upon to do what he is supposed to do on every play and not get smoked deep then he will not play until he can be. Then he should not have been drafted in the second round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Question is can he play alongside Rapp, who is probably by far the best S on the team right now? Or is he strictly a SS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP51 Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 2 minutes ago, WMDman said: he makes less than a million a year... Really! Ok then... I am happy to stand corrected, I seemed to remember it was like a 4mm but I trust you here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Just now, balln said: You guys keep talking about how he can’t be trusted or McDermott can’t play him because he doesn’t know his assignments. OK that’s fine if he was 6th rd. My whole point is you don’t take that player that maybe or maybe not can play now in the second round. When you have a huge hole at both safety spots. It should be a sure thing or you draft something else it’s a sure thing and you hope that Cole falls later in the draft. Bernard was easily fooled during limited playing time his rookie year too. He hasn’t turned out too badly, huh? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 3 minutes ago, WMDman said: he makes less than a million a year... $2.8M for Edwards 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 5 minutes ago, JP51 said: Yes even when Rapp was out... Surprised he didn't get n... so basically he just isn't very good... big contract for a 4th safety. I think they wanted to get Bishop playing time, especially since he is more of a SS. I wonder if Edwards would play if Hamlin was out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 1 minute ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Bernard was easily fooled during limited playing time his rookie year too. He hasn’t turned out too badly, huh? Third round draft pick. Way overdrafted for how he performed in college. Very niche player in a specific defense. He is head shoulders better play maker than Edmond was. More instincts. But he is very undersized. And gets swallowed up in the run. Edited 4 hours ago by balln 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, balln said: You guys keep talking about how he can’t be trusted or McDermott can’t play him because he doesn’t know his assignments. OK that’s fine if he was 6th rd. My whole point is you don’t take that player that maybe or maybe not can play now in the second round. When you have a huge hole at both safety spots. It should be a sure thing or you draft something else it’s a sure thing and you hope that Cole falls later in the draft. Then he should not have been drafted in the second round How to say "I don't understand how the defensive scheme works without saying I don't know how the defensive scheme works". He needs reps and experience, which he would have gotten in training camp and preseason if he wasn't injured most of it. Or should the Bills have had a crystal ball to see that was going to happen also? SMFH at some people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Chances are when we get to playoffs they’ll be regretting not letting this kid take his lumps early in the season. Jmo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 3 minutes ago, balln said: Third round draft pick. Way overdrafted for how he performed in college. Very niche player in a specific defense. He is head shoulders better play maker than Edmond was. More instincts. But he is very undersized. And gets swallowed up in the run. Fortunately talent evaluators are more interested in how a player fits inside THEIR specific scheme than what he did in his role in college. You mean when he isn't knifing into the backfield to make TFL's right? Because he has a sh!t ton of those too. Or do not see those either? Edited 4 hours ago by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 4 minutes ago, balln said: You guys keep talking about how he can’t be trusted or McDermott can’t play him because he doesn’t know his assignments. OK that’s fine if he was 6th rd. My whole point is you don’t take that player that maybe or maybe not can play now in the second round. When you have a huge hole at both safety spots. It should be a sure thing or you draft something else it’s a sure thing and you hope that Cole falls later in the draft. Then he should not have been drafted in the second round LOL…that easy to draft a sure thing? The guys that can step in and start immediately as a rookie are not a dime a dozen. Torrence did, but he plays a position where it’s easier to do that. Bishop needs more than 6 games to become a starter. Doesn’t mean it’s a failed pick. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: How to say "I don't understand how the defensive scheme works without saying I don't know how the defensive scheme works". He needs reps and experience, which he would have gotten in training camp and preseason if he wasn't injured most of it. Or should the Bills have had a crystal ball to see that was going to happen also? SMFH at some people. No bleeping shite! of course it’s Crystal ball. Of course I don’t know the scheme. The whole point is if you’re taking a safety which is a devalued position non-premium position in a premium second round pick especially in a team that has no safety be able to. You better be able to know that he can handle the assignment. I’m coming from a place where we blew second round picks on Cody Ford, Zay Jones, boogie Basham. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Process said: $2.8M for Edwards per sporatic 3 yr(s) / $2,843,000 Average Salary: $947,667 Signing Bonus: $13,000 GTD at Sign: $13,000 Total GTD: $13,000 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 10 minutes ago, WeckMonster said: McD values reliability. He probably views Bishop’s blown coverage as a big reason they lost to Houston. But how do you get better without playing? He should put Bishop in 10 snaps/game and have him do what he’s good at… man coverage on TE/RB, Blitz. And add snaps each game. cant use a 2nd rounder and still have Hamlin playing all the snaps. He does, but Hamlin is reliably bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago He got some time with Rapp out. He looked terrible and we lost both games. Not all his fault for the loses but he was a big problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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