TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 4 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: So a guy who hasn't played a game in about 15 months is going to help us? Ok... A former all pro who was the heart of our defense... yeah I expect him to help us? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 This team reminds me a bit of the 1991 Bills Our best defender, Bruce Smith was out for most of the season with an injury Safeties - Leonard Smith was in his last year and had little left in the tank from an athletic perspective. Mark Kelso = Damar Hamlin, always playing super deep and getting trucked in run support Defensive tackle, Jeff Wright was undersized and more penetrator than run plugger We played a ton of bend-don't-break, hoping for turnovers, and just trying to make the opponents sustain long drives It didn't help back then that our offense, no matter how much they scored, were last in time of possession We even had a kicker that had missed a big one the year before and you knew couldn't be trusted any longer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 1 minute ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said: A former all pro who was the heart of our defense... yeah I expect him to help us? I don't expect someone who hasn't played meaningful football, coming off two big injuries to do squat. That's just not reality, he won't be in Football shape at all. 1 minute ago, mushypeaches said: This team reminds me a bit of the 1991 Bills Our best defender, Bruce Smith was out for most of the season with an injury Safeties - Leonard Smith was in his last year and had little left in the tank from an athletic perspective. Mark Kelso = Damar Hamlin, always playing super deep and getting trucked in run support Defensive tackle, Jeff Wright was undersized and more penetrator than run plugger We played a ton of bend-don't-break, hoping for turnovers, and just trying to make the opponents sustain long drives It didn't help back then that our offense, no matter how much they scored, were last in time of possession We even had a kicker that had missed a big one the year before and you knew couldn't be trusted any longer The biggest issues with your comparison is Allen and Kelly =GREAT. Do we have TWO HOF WR on the team? (Reed and Lofton) nope. HOF RB, Nope. No huddle, wide open Offense? Nope. And Marv was a better game manager than McDermott. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, jethro_tull said: Unfortunately it is true. Reminds me of the depressing Bills of future past. How does this team get anywhere in the playoffs unless this is fixed? How does it get fixed? This roster seems ill prepare for the task https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2024.htm I mean... the ravens game kinda messes with the math (Henry averaged 8 ypc on 25 carries with an 87 yarder really propping up that average). You also had 2 of the best running QBs in jackson and murray who both broke some contain and combined for about 100 yards on 10 carries. Edited October 15 by Bleeding Bills Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 1 hour ago, jethro_tull said: Unfortunately it is true. Reminds me of the depressing Bills of future past. How does this team get anywhere in the playoffs unless this is fixed? How does it get fixed? This roster seems ill prepare for the task https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2024.htm Need two new safeties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 9 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I don't expect someone who hasn't played meaningful football, coming off two big injuries to do squat. That's just not reality, he won't be in Football shape at all. The biggest issues with your comparison is Allen and Kelly =GREAT. Do we have TWO HOF WR on the team? (Reed and Lofton) nope. HOF RB, Nope. No huddle, wide open Offense? Nope. And Marv was a better game manager than McDermott. ease up champ, I was only talking about the defensive similarities 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 6 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: ease up champ, I was only talking about the defensive similarities I get it. And now we have Cooper so... Superbowl lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 18 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Need two new safeties. 270 on the ground against the best rush offense in the league... with spector and lewis starting, and rapp left the game after 16 snaps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted October 16 Author Share Posted October 16 22 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: I'm not one to make excuses or point out anomalies, and it is certainly a problem. But I wonder where we rank if you remove Henry's 65 yards on 1 attempt 🤣 Point taken but they are not passing the eyeball test. Lamar Jackson running up the middle at will with the statue of liberty play. The play Monday night where the runner was hemmed in on all sides but somehow passed through a narrow gap for a big run. Many other plays where they are getting gashed. The problem is bigger than it may seem because teams are making easy first downs and rarely behind in down vs. distance. As such they are eating up the clock and TOP which leaves our "possession" offense struggling for big plays when they need to play catch up. I see this as this teams kryptonite against the better teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 23 hours ago, paulmm3 said: Dorian Williams is better at pass coverage than run D I'm not sure about this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 This D scheme needs to be more unpredictable with different looks and blitz packages not often used by us previously IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 23 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: KC Blitzes your doors off, And Wins super bowls. And egregiously holds on the back end so their blitz gets home but they only call it when Brady is on the other sideline 🤣. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 7 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: And egregiously holds on the back end so their blitz gets home but they only call it when Brady is on the other sideline 🤣. That’s what BB to beat Kelly bills. And then rip off 7 Super Bowl wins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 dont the Jets have more 1st round picks on D than anyone? we ran pretty much at will last night until brady decided we didnt need to run anymore. for the most part though we arent really built to stop the run and at times we let the other team run all they want because we are up and its just bleeding the clock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 On 10/15/2024 at 10:24 PM, Hsker4life said: Well, being without our two best LBers most of the season hasn’t helped. Oliver missing a few games isn’t ideal either. It’s definitely a concern, but with some fortune with health, it’ll improve significantly. We have played some top notch RB.....Conner, Achane, King Henry, Akers, Hall.... Only Etiene did not play well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 On 10/15/2024 at 9:54 AM, Hsker4life said: Well, being without our two best LBers most of the season hasn’t helped. Oliver missing a few games isn’t ideal either. It’s definitely a concern, but with some fortune with health, it’ll improve significantly. This is all true. But let's also remember that Beane and McD have built the defense to stop the pass first. Nickel has been our base since McD's arrival and we've run Nickel more than anyone. In my youth, a Nickel defense was called "Pass Prevent." The other thing you notice about Beane and McD is they don't want LBs who can't cover. To exaggerate a bit, our LBs are just larger DBs. Think of the big bruising, tough-as-nails, knock-the-snot-of-you LBs of NFL lore - guys like Dick Butkus, Chuck Bednarik, Jack Lambert... All Hall of Famers. Beane wouldn't draft any of them and if he did, McD wouldn't start them. They both want faster, rangy coverage guys as LBs. This stop-the-pass first philosophy works really well when your offense puts a lot of points on the board forcing the other team to throw to keep up. In other words, it worked better when Daboll was the OC and we scored a lot. It doesn't work as well when Brady is your OC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 (edited) 23 hours ago, ngbills said: A staple of the McD system has been a bend but dont break D. Its about holding teams to 3 instead of 7, getting timely turnovers, etc. It could explain the lack of success in the playoffs, as when it the other team is bringing its A game, it means making more key plays and less turnovers. I mean they have been in the top 5 most years under McD, certainly top 10 so that isn't exactly bend but don't break. Over the last 3-4 years the Bills hold teams under 200 yards passing as frequently as they go over 200 yards passing...Not 300 yards...200 yards...that's absurd in today's NFL. Edited October 16 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 You won't be fixing much at mid season. It's not like you make massive roster changes now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 Put 12 in the box Jets style 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 What are the numbers if you remove the atrocity that was Baltimore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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