jethro_tull Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Unfortunately it is true. Reminds me of the depressing Bills of future past. How does this team get anywhere in the playoffs unless this is fixed? How does it get fixed? This roster seems ill prepare for the task https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2024.htm 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hsker4life Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Well, being without our two best LBers most of the season hasn’t helped. Oliver missing a few games isn’t ideal either. It’s definitely a concern, but with some fortune with health, it’ll improve significantly. 6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 It’s a problem, but we had Miami and Baltimore mixed in there. The bigger issue is that we’re winning because we’re playing very efficient football. Is it sustainable? Time will tell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 It’s mostly scheme related. The Bills play a base nickel defense with 2 high safeties most of the time, so they’re going to be vulnerable vs run. What really concerns me, is that despite playing like this they are still giving up tons of explosive 20+ yard plays. That should not be happening. 6 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP51 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 1 minute ago, vincec said: It’s mostly scheme related. The Bills play a base nickel defense with 2 high safeties most of the time, so they’re going to be vulnerable vs run. What really concerns me, is that despite playing like this they are still giving up tons of explosive 20+ yard plays. That should not be happening. Exactly this... I saw a few instances of people shedding blocks, I think Douglas had 2... Bernard did a couple times I think.... but how in the world do they rip off those runs... I often thought Poyer and Hyde would be missed at least as much in the running game as the passing game.... Milano being out certainly doesnt help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Three main factors for me: 1. The injuries to the second level. Missing Bernard, Johnson and Milano is definitely a significant factor. I know two of them were back last night but as they get back into the groove that should help. 2. We are playing less split safety and more two high because we are worried about leaving ANY of our safeties isolated in center field. The days when if you started to get gashed you immediately put Hyde or, normally, Poyer into the box and went single high are gone. They don't trust these guys in single high, takes one more man away in run defense. 3. Daquan Jones is really struggling. When the wall comes from big guys it comes quick. Looks like it hit him like a truck this offseason. Oliver missing the last two doesn't help either. But they NEED a 1T upgrade next year. I was always against the Jones extension at his age. 5 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmm3 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Just weak in the middle. Bad safety play. Damar has to go. Dorian Williams is better at pass coverage than run D and worse than Milano overall. Ed Oliver is better at pass rushing than run D. Bernard hasn't been great at run defense either when he's been in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Three main factors for me: 1. The injuries to the second level. Missing Bernard, Johnson and Milano is definitely a significant factor. I know two of them were back last night but as they get back into the groove that should help. 2. We are playing less split safety and more two high because we are worried about leaving ANY of our safeties isolated in center field. The days when if you started to get gashed you immediately put Hyde or, normally, Poyer into the box and went single high are gone. They don't trust these guys in single high, takes one more man away in run defense. 3. Daquan Jones is really struggling. When the wall comes from big guys it comes quick. Looks like it hit him like a truck this offseason. Oliver missing the last two doesn't help either. But they NEED a 1T upgrade next year. I was always against the Jones extension at his age. #2 is really readily apparent. Po and Hyde got old, so it’s not like we miss their 2024 versions. But we absolutely miss their 2020-2021 versions. Rapp is a little bit more active but not great and Hamlin is an actual disaster when asked to do anything, even preventing a big play on his side of the field. Ideally, Bishop could take the starting job and become trustworthy in that role, but he’s clearly not ready, even in spot duty. I’m getting to the point where I would send him out there and if he gets abused so be it. Hamlin is not gonna be on the roster in 2025, and with this looking like a flawed team without true SB intentions, I would rather him take his lumps out there now. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 (edited) not a new development fwiw, we were poor last season in rush ypa some people would argue that's not necessarily a bad thing tho...it can be a sign of a defensive leak but it can also mean you are incentivizing the opponent to run at a frequency that is -ev for them...my belief is there's a sweet spot in terms of rush ypa that the most effective defenses curate EDIT just to add to this thought- there's an incongruity in that we've implemented a supposed 'modern offense' designed to succeed against lighter fronts and base nickel yet still run the same defense designed to prevent the pass and allow opponents a measure of success on the ground Edited October 15 by GoBills808 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 When your base defense is basically a Prevent-D, you're not gonna be among the league leaders in many defensive stats 3 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Scoring more points and making offenses one-dimensional would help. But our gap integrity leaves a ton to be desired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Pass and stop the pass is our strategy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 I know I am wrong but it has seemed this year that they come out and play teams in two deep straight up in the first quarter. Its as if they are seeing what the other team is going to do and they are daring them to throw the ball down the field while conceding some rushing yards. then as the game goes on they change and start attacking and clog those running lanes. As johnson gets healthier and we get oliver back hopefully soon I bet they will do a better job earlier in the game stopping the run. it caused the defense to get overwhelmed by the ravens rushing attack though and may again versus teams like kansas city, san francisco and detroit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopelessNJBuffaloFan Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Uhhhh our defense is small and fast and easily pushed around. Heavier and stronger offensive lines have their way against the Bills 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 1 hour ago, jethro_tull said: Unfortunately it is true. Reminds me of the depressing Bills of future past. How does this team get anywhere in the playoffs unless this is fixed? How does it get fixed? This roster seems ill prepare for the task https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2024.htm It gets better when milano is back for the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 I'm not one to make excuses or point out anomalies, and it is certainly a problem. But I wonder where we rank if you remove Henry's 65 yards on 1 attempt 🤣 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 I would put Taron at safety and get Hamlin off the field. That interception last night shows he can play the deep center role but he can also come up and tackle. Use Ingram at nickel until Milano comes back then go 3 linebackers with Taron at safety. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said: It gets better when milano is back for the playoffs. So a guy who hasn't played a game in about 15 months is going to help us? Ok... Edited October 15 by SoonerBillsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 A staple of the McD system has been a bend but dont break D. Its about holding teams to 3 instead of 7, getting timely turnovers, etc. It could explain the lack of success in the playoffs, as when it the other team is bringing its A game, it means making more key plays and less turnovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 2 minutes ago, ngbills said: A staple of the McD system has been a bend but dont break D. Its about holding teams to 3 instead of 7, getting timely turnovers, etc. It could explain the lack of success in the playoffs, as when it the other team is bringing its A game, it means making more key plays and less turnovers. KC Blitzes your doors off, And Wins super bowls. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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