Thoughts The Day..Morning After

[Sojourner]

15 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

Keon may be his own worst enemy.  Heard from more than one source he does not run good routes and is inconsistent. He needs to learn and quickly.

Are these sources close to the team or from within the franchise itself?

[JP51]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

Coleman is the guy you want on the inside playing the slot. You let that big, bodied guy get in the middle and do some damage against some LB's......death by a thousand cuts.

There's no way we should be trying to fit a square peg in a round hole and have him playing on the outside.......okay, it worked at FSU where he was bigger than most CB/DB's but it's not going to work in the NFL where he would probably only be utilized for 50-50 balls.

This^^^^ Coleman would be better with a true number 1 and 2... he is not a boundary guy unless he is going 50/50.... I can see him doing much better in the slot in zone coverage and getting a bit of RAC. 

[Sweats]

4 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Are these sources close to the team or from within the franchise itself?

 

 

 

..........sounds like the sources are a guy who knows a guy

[Sojourner]

Just now, Sweats said:

 

 

 

..........sounds like the sources are a guy who knows a guy

well, I’m curious if they are close and a weekly if not daily part of his life, is he actively working on this in and outside the team?

[JP51]

5 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

The only thing I can think of the past few games is how bad our coaching can be at critical times.  Nothing else stands out to me.  Oh yeah the lack of WR talent too.  And I am a huge rose color glasses homer.  That hail mary rush 2 BS would make me implode if I was Terry. 

Our coaching has been terrible. So many things from not running the clock towards the end of the half, to rushing 2 into a swamp of OL, to playing the same basic defense that lost us 13 seconds to KC, to the unprepared pre snap penalties, to the non squib with 21 seconds left and that is just this game... and we won... 

[corta765]

24 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Our coaching has been terrible. So many things from not running the clock towards the end of the half, to rushing 2 into a swamp of OL, to playing the same basic defense that lost us 13 seconds to KC, to the unprepared pre snap penalties, to the non squib with 21 seconds left and that is just this game... and we won... 

 

I want to make a quick point about NFL coaches. MOST of them even the good ones make some truly stupid blunders for their teams from time to time. Until Andy Reid got a ring he was criticized regularly for his clock mgmt and game mgmt itself. Kyle Shanahan gets a ton of praise... but also was the OC in the SB up 28-3, HC of a team up by 10 in the SB AND again last year blew it in the big game. Mike Tomlin who is widely respected as coach (and possible crisis mgmt expert thanks to dealing with AB that long) is known for some errors by Steeler fans and his seat is warm despite being a guy who would be picked up in a second by another team.

 

My general point is the list of coaches that at this time are perfect in terms of decisions and game plan is probably Reid & McVay at this time (whose team currently is 1-4). Does that mean I am against McD being replaced? Nope I would have done so after the loss to CIN when the old core still had another year left. BUT any coach brought in will have warts and probably make a mistake from time to time even when you expect better. Having BB in division for two decades was probably the worst thing for all opposing fans because he was perfect. I think I can count on my hand the number of truly poor game mgmt // time mgmt moves the dude made. Love him or more likely hate him the standard in terms of coaching he set truly was impressive and how good he was in those situations. It is why the Pats seemingly weaseled their way of a lot of games, the guy had his team ready which mixed with Brady was so hard to stop. The other thing coaching wise is if you dump McD who you replacing him with? Ben Johnson? Cool I like it but also expect growing pains as he finds his way, the defense regresses, and a new scheme is brought in. 

 

Like any relationship what starts off hot and fun, later on you see the warts and mistakes or annoyances faster as the years go by. I am not trying to sway anyone with this as its pretty well documented where people are at with McD, as much as just show its far closer to a universal feeling league wide.

[JP51]

24 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

I want to make a quick point about NFL coaches. MOST of them even the good ones make some truly stupid blunders for their teams from time to time. Until Andy Reid got a ring he was criticized regularly for his clock mgmt and game mgmt itself. Kyle Shanahan gets a ton of praise... but also was the OC in the SB up 28-3, HC of a team up by 10 in the SB AND again last year blew it in the big game. Mike Tomlin who is widely respected as coach (and possible crisis mgmt expert thanks to dealing with AB that long) is known for some errors by Steeler fans and his seat is warm despite being a guy who would be picked up in a second by another team.

 

My general point is the list of coaches that at this time are perfect in terms of decisions and game plan is probably Reid & McVay at this time (whose team currently is 1-4). Does that mean I am against McD being replaced? Nope I would have done so after the loss to CIN when the old core still had another year left. BUT any coach brought in will have warts and probably make a mistake from time to time even when you expect better. Having BB in division for two decades was probably the worst thing for all opposing fans because he was perfect. I think I can count on my hand the number of truly poor game mgmt // time mgmt moves the dude made. Love him or more likely hate him the standard in terms of coaching he set truly was impressive and how good he was in those situations. It is why the Pats seemingly weaseled their way of a lot of games, the guy had his team ready which mixed with Brady was so hard to stop. The other thing coaching wise is if you dump McD who you replacing him with? Ben Johnson? Cool I like it but also expect growing pains as he finds his way, the defense regresses, and a new scheme is brought in. 

 

Like any relationship what starts off hot and fun, later on you see the warts and mistakes or annoyances faster as the years go by. I am not trying to sway anyone with this as its pretty well documented where people are at with McD, as much as just show its far closer to a universal feeling league wide.

I think its funny because its so true... If you ask my cousin in Pittsburgh Mike Tomlin is the worst game day coach in history... Belichek was God until he was losing then he got dumb... I think though that we are seeing the same mistakes and philosopy from this staff, I have not seen much learning going on.... I am concerned his approach may help an up and coming team learn to win but after you have graduated and are playing for a title, it needs to change.  I will say Reid was like this but he seemed to learn and get over the hump. Where coaches like Shottenheimer, Lewis, Fischer and Knox never did... to an extent Levy maybe... anyways... My feeling is he will be a fine coach of a developing team he doesnt have it to get past that... just my opinion. 

[Nitro]

3 hours ago, zow2 said:

I haven't figured out Keon and neither has Brady or Allen.  He makes a splash play here and there,,,but he looks really slow.  But supposedly he has football speed.  Every pass doesn't need to be 50/50.  Figure out a way to get him the ball where he doesn't have to beat a guy downfield ....because he's being blanketed.

Motion will help him.

[corta765]

30 minutes ago, JP51 said:

I think its funny because its so true... If you ask my cousin in Pittsburgh Mike Tomlin is the worst game day coach in history... Belichek was God until he was losing then he got dumb... I think though that we are seeing the same mistakes and philosopy from this staff, I have not seen much learning going on.... I am concerned his approach may help an up and coming team learn to win but after you have graduated and are playing for a title, it needs to change.  I will say Reid was like this but he seemed to learn and get over the hump. Where coaches like Shottenheimer, Lewis, Fischer and Knox never did... to an extent Levy maybe... anyways... My feeling is he will be a fine coach of a developing team he doesnt have it to get past that... just my opinion. 

 

It is interesting because with coaches you do feel like the leash has its limit but with McD it does not feel like it exists. At the same time I do wonder if buy end of 2025 season there is no SB appearance they finally pull the plug so Josh gets a new voice while still in prime. I think the sun is setting on my belief in him, but I will credit that the KC playoff loss last year was some of his best coaching despite the end result. In a game where they had to have a very specific gameplan due to injury and lack of horses on offense, they pretty much pulled it off and lost on crappy circumstances. Still a loss, but I do give him credit that they pushed KC that hard and got more points on them then anyone else.

[JP51]

12 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

It is interesting because with coaches you do feel like the leash has its limit but with McD it does not feel like it exists. At the same time I do wonder if buy end of 2025 season there is no SB appearance they finally pull the plug so Josh gets a new voice while still in prime. I think the sun is setting on my belief in him, but I will credit that the KC playoff loss last year was some of his best coaching despite the end result. In a game where they had to have a very specific gameplan due to injury and lack of horses on offense, they pretty much pulled it off and lost on crappy circumstances. Still a loss, but I do give him credit that they pushed KC that hard and got more points on them then anyone else.

I think you are right here on the leash.... quite honest, if I am predicting I would say if they even make the playoffs he his here in 2025, if they miss could get ugly. 2025 will likely see some players signed for improvement... if he gets the same results he is probably gone.  So, truthfully I am under no real illusion he goes this year but if things go very badly maybe at the end... He gets 2025 to get us there or not.  (agreed on the KC game... this was a gameplan for backups that was effective, this is where he excels for sure, kinda like Ted Nolan and the Sabres... great for max effort out of kids... not so great for the next level.

Edited October 15 by JP51

[corta765]

12 minutes ago, JP51 said:

I think you are right here on the leash.... quite honest, if I am predicting I would say if they even make the playoffs he his here in 2025, if they miss could get ugly. 2025 will likely see some players signed for improvement... if he gets the same results he is probably gone.  So, truthfully I am under no real illusion he goes this year but if things go very badly maybe at the end... He gets 2025 to get us there or not.  (agreed on the KC game... this was a gameplan for backups that was effective, this is where he excels for sure, kinda like Ted Nolan and the Sabres... great for max effort out of kids... not so great for the next level.

Going off of what the team has said about 2024 being a transition year I would be flabbergasted if they moved on from McD if they win the division and lose in the playoffs. Everything has indicated while they are being competitive this year (yay Cooper!) the true goal was 2025 between reopening the cap space and draft picks. 2023-2025 drafts have all been about building the future and resetting the base talent wise. I think if by end of 2025 season the Bills have not at least made the SB they finally move on. It would be 9 years and at that point I do not know how much is left to say and I personally think Josh would finally say something. 

[billsfan_34]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And yet again last night he is struggling running clearouts to open other things up. Has been an issue for him all year. He has to be a lot better on plays where he isn't getting the ball as well as those where he is. 

Also missed a key block for Samuel in the flat…could of sprung him. 

[JP51]

2 hours ago, corta765 said:

Going off of what the team has said about 2024 being a transition year I would be flabbergasted if they moved on from McD if they win the division and lose in the playoffs. Everything has indicated while they are being competitive this year (yay Cooper!) the true goal was 2025 between reopening the cap space and draft picks. 2023-2025 drafts have all been about building the future and resetting the base talent wise. I think if by end of 2025 season the Bills have not at least made the SB they finally move on. It would be 9 years and at that point I do not know how much is left to say and I personally think Josh would finally say something. 

Pretty much where I am at