Curtis Samuel out wide please

[NewEra]

33 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

I would really like to see them utilize Coleman more on motion, in the slot, on drags, etc. 

 

His best attribute seems to be his run after catch ability and we're just not getting him the ball with running room enough. He's a big body and should be used in a slot a little more. Maybe his route tree and routes still need some help so they're developing it but being able to have Kincaid and Coleman in the middle of the field will open up a lot and give him more RAC chances. I think that's one of Brady's biggest failures, thus far. 

 

If he is having trouble getting off the ball, put him in the slot where he can't be pressed. I don't see the get off as a major issue yet but there has been some instances where he was locked down, completely. We need to move him around. 

There are instances in which every WR gets locked down completely.  It happens multiple times a game to every WR.  
 

I agree that I really want to get him more involved, but it’s difficult to put him in the slot because of Shakir and Kincaid.  
 

I’d like to see him on the slants into the EZ like Hollins has been getting, but hollins has been winning enough.  He has good burst off the line.  His body control just isn’t as tight as Coleman’s.   

[warrior9]

21 minutes ago, NewEra said:

There are instances in which every WR gets locked down completely.  It happens multiple times a game to every WR.  
 

I agree that I really want to get him more involved, but it’s difficult to put him in the slot because of Shakir and Kincaid.  
 

I’d like to see him on the slants into the EZ like Hollins has been getting, but hollins has been winning enough.  He has good burst off the line.  His body control just isn’t as tight as Coleman’s.   

100%. Shakir didn't play much yesterday (38ish % of snaps) so I would have liked to see them use Coleman in that role a little bit. Even if he's not in the slot per se, close twins, close bunch, etc and let Colemen use his shiftiness (which he has, just not straight like speed) off the line there. Move him around, etc. He's running slants, hitches, and go's... it's not ideal for someone with his skill set, IMO.

 

Edit: The few times he has ran drag routes, he's looked excellent. Jags game TD comes to mind.

Edited October 15 by warrior9

[LABILLBACKER]

10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Yeah. But what I’m saying is it seems rare to see Shakir and Samuel on the field together.

We should always see them on the field together. If he's got turf toe than announce it and shut him down.  If not then Brady allow him to have "grown man" routes.  I swear we can't possibly make the same mistake on Samuel that we did on Hines & Harty....can we?

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

100%. Shakir didn't play much yesterday (38ish % of snaps) so I would have liked to see them use Coleman in that role a little bit. Even if he's not in the slot per se, close twins, close bunch, etc and let Colemen use his shiftiness (which he has, just not straight like speed) off the line there. Move him around, etc. He's running slants, hitches, and go's... it's not ideal for someone with his skill set, IMO.

 

Edit: The few times he has ran drag routes, he's looked excellent. Jags game TD comes to mind.

I love Coleman on dig routes.  He’s good coming back for the ball, big body the corners have to work around, big body that the corners have to tackle.  
 

He made a nice play on the deep ball with Reed covering him.  Great play by Reed

 

[mjt328]

The Bills seem to like (at least) one of their outside receivers being a big-bodied, strong run blocker.  Even if he's not very good at actually catching passes.  It's been Gabe Davis the last few years.  Now it seems to be Mack Hollins.  And since the team has been very run-heavy, he's getting the majority of snaps.  

 

One of my big complaints (so far) with Joe Brady and the offense, is that he seems to pigeonhole the skillsets on our receivers and it makes our passing game way too predictable.   Curtis Samuel is basically our gadget guy, and isn't being used much beyond that.  We were hoping for what Kyle Shanahan does with Deebo Samuel, and instead we got Isaiah McKenzie 2.0.  It's painfully obvious every time he's on the field and you can tell other DBs are also catching on to the gimmick.  

 

In the same way, Khalil Shakir is playing almost exclusively in the slot, even though he has deep speed and could be good moving around.  Keon Coleman is used exclusively on the outside, when he could also be effective as a big slot inside.  MVS is our deep threat, and him being on the field pretty much telegraphs we are hoping for a shot downfield.  Not much creativity with the tight ends either.  

 

Edited October 15 by mjt328

[Motorin']

38 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

The Bills seem to like (at least) one of their outside receivers being a big-bodied, strong run blocker.  Even if he's not very good at actually catching passes.  It's been Gabe Davis the last few years.  Now it seems to be Mack Hollins.  And since the team has been very run-heavy, he's getting the majority of snaps.  

 

One of my big complaints (so far) with Joe Brady and the offense, is that he seems to pigeonhole the skillsets on our receivers and it makes our passing game way too predictable.   Curtis Samuel is basically our gadget guy, and isn't being used much beyond that.  We were hoping for what Kyle Shanahan does with Deebo Samuel, and instead we got Isaiah McKenzie 2.0.  It's painfully obvious every time he's on the field and you can tell other DBs are also catching on to the gimmick.  

 

In the same way, Khalil Shakir is playing almost exclusively in the slot, even though he has deep speed and could be good moving around.  Keon Coleman is used exclusively on the outside, when he could also be effective as a big slot inside.  MVS is our deep threat, and him being on the field pretty much telegraphs we are hoping for a shot downfield.  Not much creativity with the tight ends either.  

 

 

Totally agree. Need to start varying who does what. Shakir and Samuels need to have down field plays designed to them.

 

Coleman needs to get the slot / seam targets that Hollins has been getting. 

 

 

[colin]

36 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

The Bills seem to like (at least) one of their outside receivers being a big-bodied, strong run blocker.  Even if he's not very good at actually catching passes.  It's been Gabe Davis the last few years.  Now it seems to be Mack Hollins.  And since the team has been very run-heavy, he's getting the majority of snaps.  

 

One of my big complaints (so far) with Joe Brady and the offense, is that he seems to pigeonhole the skillsets on our receivers and it makes our passing game way too predictable.   Curtis Samuel is basically our gadget guy, and isn't being used much beyond that.  We were hoping for what Kyle Shanahan does with Deebo Samuel, and instead we got Isaiah McKenzie 2.0.  It's painfully obvious every time he's on the field and you can tell other DBs are also catching on to the gimmick.  

 

In the same way, Khalil Shakir is playing almost exclusively in the slot, even though he has deep speed and could be good moving around.  Keon Coleman is used exclusively on the outside, when he could also be effective as a big slot inside.  MVS is our deep threat, and him being on the field pretty much telegraphs we are hoping for a shot downfield.  Not much creativity with the tight ends either.  

 

 

you are 100% right on this mjt.

 

the issue on the field is even worse than this, imo.  it gives the d a great idea of what we are doing based on who we trot out and how we line them up.

 

just like our obvious runs on 1st down vs houston, if you look at the game last night, the bills actually produced when they gave them selves a chance, but once we were behind the sticks and were suspect to a blitz or some games up front, it was same old same old.  

 

we run these screens that always have issues because we suck at them and they are slow to develop.  you'd think we could run something w two tight ends and one of our small quick wrs and backs where people get open quickly and it's a short pass and a chance to run after the catch.  kc does it regularly, and ne won 6 rings doing that under the same offensive system.  we don't even really try plays like that.  part of it is certainly allen being greedy, but the coaches can draw a few of these up instead of the absolutely doomed screens and get ahead of the sticks a few more times a game.

 

we just don't play advantage football and i think it's down to coaching more than personnel (altho that sucks too) 

[eSJayDee]

Curtis Samuel out wide please.

FIFY

[JohnNord]

20 hours ago, Kingston Bills Fan said:

Samuel can not be any worse than Mack Hollins out wide. He has done it plenty in his career at least he has speed. Tired of Mack’s slow ass out there. Let Samuel run some routes please! I’d even give Scantling more reps out there. I know Hollins is a + run blocker but Allen needs a receiver that get get open.

Cooper is going to be taking most of the snaps at X.  This should squeeze Hollins out of the lineup and hopefully allow for more opportunities for Samuel to get on the field. 

[Breakout Squad]

20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Shakir wasn't moving well to me. Think he was toughing it out a bit to play. Hence the pitch count. 

 

Samuel just looks really bad to me. He looks slooooow. And while the throw in the endzone he started in the backfield he showed the leverage and body control issues he has outside when the throw went to him.

He looked stiff in pregame warmups. I was told on this board he was fine 😂

 

I thought Samuel was going to be a bigger part of the offense. Hopefully they work him in more. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I said it before the game to @Chaos. I still have hope he is not fully healthy but its blind hope right now. Not got much evidence to support it.

He didn’t practice a couple days last week with toe/foot designation.  Along with him not looking like himself. I’d say that’s a decent amount of evidence to support the turf toe lingering. 

[Cubanmist]

I’ve noticed that Samuel is not fast anymore. He definitely has lost several steps and git to his giddyup!

[JerseyBills]

22 hours ago, Kingston Bills Fan said:

Samuel can not be any worse than Mack Hollins out wide. He has done it plenty in his career at least he has speed. Tired of Mack’s slow ass out there. Let Samuel run some routes please! I’d even give Scantling more reps out there. I know Hollins is a + run blocker but Allen needs a receiver that get get open.

Brady over emphasizing run blocking 

[BobbyC81]

On 10/14/2024 at 8:55 PM, Kingston Bills Fan said:

Samuel can not be any worse than Mack Hollins out wide. He has done it plenty in his career at least he has speed. Tired of Mack’s slow ass out there. Let Samuel run some routes please! I’d even give Scantling more reps out there. I know Hollins is a + run blocker but Allen needs a receiver that get get open.

I thought a couple of Troy Aikman’s comments were telling.  On replays of unsuccessful Bills pass attempts, he pointed out that the Bills receiver was running his route too horizontal and needed to angle it more to get better separation from the DBs.  On one it was Samuel, who’s in his 8th season.   Are they not getting proper coaching of route running techniques?

Edited October 16 by BobbyC81

[Bad Things]

35 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

I thought a couple of Troy Aikman’s comments were telling. 

I agree.

 

Most of Aikman's comments reinforced the fact that he's a meathead and shouldn't be in the booth.

(Not saying you're wrong.)

[ganesh]

14 hours ago, mjt328 said:

 

One of my big complaints (so far) with Joe Brady and the offense, is that he seems to pigeonhole the skillsets on our receivers and it makes our passing game way too predictable.   Curtis Samuel is basically our gadget guy, and isn't being used much beyond that.  We were hoping for what Kyle Shanahan does with Deebo Samuel, and instead we got Isaiah McKenzie 2.0.  It's painfully obvious every time he's on the field and you can tell other DBs are also catching on to the gimmick.  

 

I wish we could get McKenzie production with Samuel.  Right now he is more like Gillian

[BuffaloBaumer]

Samuel has got to be injured, there is no other explanation as to why he is not getting any attention. Now that Cooper is here, why not rest Samuel fully until he is ready to contribute?