Mikie2times Posted October 13 Posted October 13 13 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: This is revisionist history at its finest. Almost everybody wanted Dorsey and the move was largely loved here, and the same thing happened with Brady. So “sham interview” or not, the Bills went with the guy in both cases that pretty much everybody wanted I was very critical of the process with Brady especially. He has never had success at the NFL level so how we didn’t even interview is completely beyond me Quote
bouds Posted October 13 Posted October 13 7 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said: Agree. However Goff has a ton of the in the pocket ... Their OL is best in class so that definitely helps for sure. 1 Quote
FireChans Posted October 13 Posted October 13 15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I'd be in a much better place to appreciate the irony if the results weren't so lopsided You have to learn to laugh because the alternative is to cry. 1 Quote
Shortchaz Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Josh has reached the limit of his physical gifts and needs to improve the cerebral component of his game if he’s (the offense/team) to improve. 2 3 1 Quote
Big Turk Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, Meatloaf63 said: Just watched Daniel’s and Maye play against the two teams we played the last 2 weeks. week. A rookie starting his first game, another starting his 6th. Now neither won, but both looked much more competent and performed at a higher level than Allen. We are talking a rookie in his first start FFS. 20/33 243 yards and 3 TD’S. Daniels 24/35 265 2td’s. Are our receivers this poor compared to the Skins and Pats? Is our Oline this inept? Has Brady been figured out and he has no ability to adjust react? Or was Allen just playing like trash? He definitely reverted back to always looking up field instead of taking available shorter passes. Leaving the pocket instead of sliding right or left to buy time too. What is going on here? If we play like the last two weeks, Monday will be an embarrassment. In Maye's case he had the ultimate advantage...no game tape at the NFL level. Daniels has a near elite level receiver in McLaurin which forces the Ravens to respect the outside deep threat and he has been exceptional this year as well. No matter what people want to say of Kingsbury as a HC, he is a damn good OC. Edited October 13 by Big Turk 2 Quote
Meatloaf63 Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: The more analysis I've seen of the last game the more I come away thinking Brady is a larger problem than previously thought. Nothing about our offense is crisp and nothing is innovative. The WRs aren't being coached to execute on scramble drills. The run scheme is basic. The OL still regularly gets confused on exotic pressure looks. The play calling is predictable. We have no counterpunch when defenses figure out what we want to do. There is a lot of high level offensive coaching throughout the league right now and we just don't have that unfortunately. Not that I really blame Joe Brady. We intentionally did not invest much in the offense so the OC was always going to have his work cut out for him. And then we handed Brady the job without actively searching for better. The offense was set up to fail and now we see the entirely predictable result. This is a great response honestly. 1 hour ago, Taro Nimbus said: Just wondering how many threads there have to be devoted to the same question. How many threads came after rookie Qb’s faced the two teams that just beat us🤔? If you don’t want to discuss that, move on… Quote
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted October 13 Posted October 13 1 hour ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: And an OC that struggles at in-game adjustments what about the start of the game? Not exactly lighting it up there either, I question the game plan they practice all week. 1 Quote
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted October 13 Posted October 13 1 minute ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said: what about the start of the game? Not exactly lighting it up there either, I question the game plan they practice all week. good point Quote
Yobogoya! Posted October 13 Posted October 13 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I've watched almost as much Chiefs football as I've watched Bills football the past couple years. On the whole their pass catchers and OTs definitely limit their offense, but every time they need a drive or a play they are able to manufacture one. Watching their scheme compared to ours is like watching a different sport. They also have the luxury of playing a very specific brand of football because their defense is always clutch when they need to be. I mean always. But of course I wish we had more talent. Talent wins out over scheme every time. Still I think in spite of that there are positive plays being left on the field because our coaching is below the top tier. Completely agree. It also helps that Kelce is a once in a generation cheat code. The guy is a massive blow hard but his football IQ is top tier, he just constantly wiggles his way open against defenses whose main goal is to stop him. Rarely drops, rarely fumbles. Converts every time they need him to. Big part of that is also 8 years of chemistry with his QB, and the mastery of Reid’s offensive system. There’s no way to just duplicate that, even if you draft the same player next year that experience is irreplaceable. Quote
Meatloaf63 Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 35 minutes ago, Shortchaz said: Josh has reached the limit of his physical gifts and needs to improve the cerebral component of his game if he’s (the offense/team) to improve. People will flame you for this, but all you have to do is look at the last Houston drive. The last drive of the KC playoff game. He’s consistently choosing the downfield option over the safe available shorter option that would help us move the chains. He did well with it without major pressure in the first 3 games, but reverted the past two games when the pressure was on. 2 Quote
notpolian Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) In my ignorant opinion: - Our OL defines league average, but is acceptable. Something is very wrong with our blitz recognition and pickup many times however. People keep saying communication... - I have seen our QB do great things in the past. He is susceptible to bad decisions. He can be 'flapped' if you pressure him enough (as opposed to the greats, who are unflappable) - Our WRs are complete trash, with the exception of Shakir. We may have the worst WR group in the league. MVS and Hollins can't track deep balls, and for some reason Samuel (injury, bad scheme?) has gotten zero traction this year. Coleman may develop into something after a time, but he is far from an impact rookie right now. - When Daboll was OC, I used to look forward to the Offense getting on the field. Not so much now. With this team, we need major innovation. It ain't happening. Like others have said, I think this offense is a perfect reflection of McDermott's philosophy. I just hope they spent some serious time this week working on blitz and protection breakdown contingencies. 3 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said: Completely agree. It also helps that Kelce is a once in a generation cheat code. The guy is a massive blow hard but his football IQ is top tier, he just constantly wiggles his way open against defenses whose main goal is to stop him. Rarely drops, rarely fumbles. Converts every time they need him to. Big part of that is also 8 years of chemistry with his QB, and the mastery of Reid’s offensive system. There’s no way to just duplicate that, even if you draft the same player next year that experience is irreplaceable. This is almost off topic but to me, Kelce is like Cole Beasley in a bigger body. Great at finding the soft spots in a zone. But even better, Kelce can box out with his size and sometimes gets covered by a LB or nickel, who hardly stand a chance. Edited October 13 by notpolian Quote
Utah John Posted October 13 Posted October 13 I have to say the problem is the O line. Given time, Josh can make decent receivers look great. It comes down to the decision not to re-sign Mitch Morse. DCs have figured out how to confuse McGovern and the guards, and we see stunt after stunt producing a free rusher. McGovern is a bigger body than Morse so the thought is he'd be a better road grader, but he's not playing guard anymore. He has far more responsibilities and doesn't seem able to get the job done. The Bills are running more but it always comes down to what Josh can do. 1 Quote
PayDaBill$ Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Watching Dallas and the Lions. The Cowgirls are the Bills of the NFC - in more ways than one …. 1 Quote
HappyDays Posted October 13 Posted October 13 4 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: wow, what a depressing board this is Reality is setting in that the best player in franchise history may end his career without a Super Bowl and no one has any idea if the owner cares enough to make changes. It is depressing watching this regime continue to make the same poor decisions that have already failed them before. 4 1 Quote
Utah John Posted October 13 Posted October 13 15 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: People will flame you for this, but all you have to do is look at the last Houston drive. The last drive of the KC playoff game. He’s consistently choosing the downfield option over the safe available shorter option that would help us move the chains. He did well with it without major pressure in the first 3 games, but reverted the past two games when the pressure was on. You make it sound like this is a long-term trend, that Josh is doing that game after game. He did it far too much against the Texans but he wasn't doing that in previous games. Quote
BearNorth Posted October 13 Posted October 13 16 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said: Completely agree. It also helps that Kelce is a once in a generation cheat code. The guy is a massive blow hard but his football IQ is top tier, he just constantly wiggles his way open against defenses whose main goal is to stop him. Rarely drops, rarely fumbles. Converts every time they need him to. Big part of that is also 8 years of chemistry with his QB, and the mastery of Reid’s offensive system. There’s no way to just duplicate that, even if you draft the same player next year that experience is irreplaceable. He also gets away with a ton of cleverly disguised OPI, and rarely gets called. Quote
Utah John Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Just now, HappyDays said: Reality is setting in that the best player in franchise history may end his career without a Super Bowl and no one has any idea if the owner cares enough to make changes. It is depressing watching this regime continue to make the same poor decisions that have already failed them before. Well, the best player in franchise history played in four straight Super Bowls. As for all the gloom and doom, this team is the best that Beane could put together, pretty much. I think he made some mistakes but considering all the losses and departures, plus the key injuries, he still did a good job. The realistic goal for the year was a winning record, and the enhanced goal is winning the AFCE again. Ever since the Diggs trade ate so much cap space, it's been clear this year's team was not SB bound. It's next year that Beane is planning for. 1 Quote
Chaos Posted October 13 Posted October 13 28 minutes ago, notpolian said: who are unflappable) who is unflappable under pressure? Quote
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted October 13 Posted October 13 22 minutes ago, notpolian said: I think this offense is a perfect reflection of McDermott's philosophy. They don’t need a 50+ million QB to run a conservative dink and dunk offense. Might as well trade Josh, because this current offensive philosophy and personnel group scares nobody at the moment. 1 1 Quote
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