What’s the problem, Allen, Brady, Oline, Talent?

[Meatloaf63]

Just watched Daniel’s and Maye play against the two teams we played the last 2 weeks.  week. A rookie starting his first game, another starting his 6th. Now neither won, but both looked much more competent and performed at a higher level than Allen. We are talking a rookie in his first start FFS. 20/33 243 yards and 3 TD’S. Daniels 24/35 265 2td’s. Are our receivers this poor compared to the Skins and Pats? Is our Oline this inept? Has Brady been figured out and he has no ability to adjust react? Or was Allen just playing like trash? He definitely reverted back to always looking up field instead of taking available shorter passes. Leaving the pocket instead of sliding right or left to buy time too. What is going on here? If we play like the last two weeks, Monday will be an embarrassment. 

[NewEra]

Josh is sometimes not elite.  Happens to many.  The nfl is tough 

[Not at the table Karlos]

All of the above. 

[nedboy7]

20, 35, 10, 35 %

[RyanC883]

seems like a combo of bad OL and WR play, that in turn creates poor QB play.  Having a below average HC for game management is a bonus for underperformance

[Einstein]

13 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Just watched Daniel’s and Maye play against the two teams we played the last 2 weeks.  week. A rookie starting his first game, another starting his 6th. Now neither won, but both looked much more competent and performed at a higher level than Allen. We are talking a rookie in his first start FFS. 20/33 243 yards and 3 TD’S. Daniels 24/35 265 2td’s. Are our receivers this poor compared to the Skins and Pats? Is our Oline this inept? Has Brady been figured out and he has no ability to adjust react? Or was Allen just playing like trash? He definitely reverted back to always looking up field instead of taking available shorter passes. Leaving the pocket instead of sliding right or left to buy time too. What is going on here? If we play like the last two weeks, Monday will be an embarrassment. 

 

This thread may interest you: https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/256487-chris-simms-good-and-detailed-breakdown-of-allen’s-struggles-vs-houston/page/15/

 

 

We discuss most of what you questioned.

 

As for Maye, I watched that game… he had so much more time than Allen had, he could have built a hammock and relaxed compared to what Allen went through.

[HappyDays]

The more analysis I've seen of the last game the more I come away thinking Brady is a larger problem than previously thought. Nothing about our offense is crisp and nothing is innovative. The WRs aren't being coached to execute on scramble drills. The run scheme is basic. The OL still regularly gets confused on exotic pressure looks. The play calling is predictable. We have no counterpunch when defenses figure out what we want to do. There is a lot of high level offensive coaching throughout the league right now and we just don't have that unfortunately.

 

Not that I really blame Joe Brady. We intentionally did not invest much in the offense so the OC was always going to have his work cut out for him. And then we handed Brady the job without actively searching for better. The offense was set up to fail and now we see the entirely predictable result.

 

Edited October 13 by HappyDays

[PayDaBill$]

This will raise the ire of some but it is much easier for a qb to be elite with the right supporting cast. Our staff and roster are underwhelming. I’ve watched quite a few teams already this year; Chi Det Minn GB KC SF Balt Wash Hou ATL etc… they all seem to be on another tier. I just don’t think we’re that good. Our receiver corp isn’t good, Samuel Knox Hollins MVS  are no shows, oline is suspect, defensively we have too many lapses, our play calling / scheme is too predictable.  I’m not sure where we start but McD is close to the top.  I think moving in a new direction is a start.

How many times are we going to wash rinse repeat and expect a different outcome?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 13 by PayDaBill$

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

The more analysis I've seen of the last game the more I come away thinking Brady is a larger problem than previously thought. Nothing about our offense is crisp and nothing is innovative. The WRs aren't being coached to execute on scramble drills. The run scheme is basic. The OL still regularly gets confused on exotic pressure looks. We have no counterpunch when defenses figure out what we want to do. There is a lot of high level offensive coaching throughout the league right now and we just don't have that unfortunately.

 

Not that I really blame Joe Brady. We intentionally did not invest much in the offense so the OC was always going to have his work cut out for him. And then we handed Brady the job without actively searching for better. The offense was set up to fail and now we see the entirely predictable result.

 verrrrry little faith in Brady from the start

 

But as you say, entirely predictable.

[BearNorth]

No elite #1 receiver that scares defenses.  A lot of contracts that are poor value for the production we see.  Not one current player on defense who opposing teams have to account for on EVERY play [e.g. Chris Jones, TJ Watt], unreliable kicker, invest a lot of money in special teams only to get burned,  Injuries to key players [Cookie, Taron, Khalil, Ed], just to name a few.

 

[FireChans]

Starts with really really bad talent.

 

OC gets held back because he is asked to do more with less.

 

QB starts to play worse because everything around them is worse

 

Just so everyone is aware, the Chiefs currently have the 14th ranked offense in points scored. After having the 15th ranked offense last season.

 

Is it because Any Reid can't coach offense?  Obviously not.

 

Is it because Mahomes is not one of the best QB's in the game?  Obviously not.

 

Is it because their offensive talent is kinda cheeks?  Yup.

 

Why would the Bills with Josh, Brady and the island of misfit players be immune from the same problem?

[HappyDays]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

 verrrrry little faith in Brady from the start

 

But as you say, entirely predictable.

 

I remained skeptical after the Dolphins game when the common belief was that he had put on a clinic. I let myself be convinced after the Jags game but now we see that team for what it is and everything since then has confirmed my worst fears about him. It's not that he's awful but he's really lacking compared to the true championship contenders. I really don't understand the strategy the past few years. Underinvest in the offensive personnel and also hire green offensive coaches that have zero proof of concept at the NFL level.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

16 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

seems like a combo of bad OL and WR play, that in turn creates poor QB play.  Having a below average HC for game management is a bonus for underperformance

And an OC that struggles at in-game adjustments

[SoonerBillsFan]

Yes.

[FireChans]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

I remained skeptical after the Dolphins game when the common belief was that he had put on a clinic. I let myself be convinced after the Jags game but now we see that team for what it is and everything since then has confirmed my worst fears about him. It's not that he's awful but he's really lacking compared to the true championship contenders. I really don't understand the strategy the past few years. Underinvest in the offensive personnel and also hire green offensive coaches that have zero proof of concept at the NFL level.

The greatest offensive coach in NFL history with one of the greatest QBs in NFL history has had a middling offense for 2 seasons straight.

 

Its the talent.

[JerseyBills]

I feel like Allen was the biggest reason but all have an impact 

[BlazinBill]

Expectations- reality = disappointment 

 

[BillsVet]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

The more analysis I've seen of the last game the more I come away thinking Brady is a larger problem than previously thought. Nothing about our offense is crisp and nothing is innovative. The WRs aren't being coached to execute on scramble drills. The run scheme is basic. The OL still regularly gets confused on exotic pressure looks. The play calling is predictable. We have no counterpunch when defenses figure out what we want to do. There is a lot of high level offensive coaching throughout the league right now and we just don't have that unfortunately.

 

Not that I really blame Joe Brady. We intentionally did not invest much in the offense so the OC was always going to have his work cut out for him. And then we handed Brady the job without actively searching for better. The offense was set up to fail and now we see the entirely predictable result.

 

And it's into the 4th season across 3 coordinators with the same QB that these issues persist.  As much as those coordinators weren't great, the guy hiring them has a lot of say into those offenses. 

[Chaos]

The formula during the McDermott era is simple.  Allen has one of the top 10 performances in the NFL in any given week, the Bills win the game.  Allen is outside that, and the Bills lost most of the rest.  

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I remained skeptical after the Dolphins game when the common belief was that he had put on a clinic. I let myself be convinced after the Jags game but now we see that team for what it is and everything since then has confirmed my worst fears about him. It's not that he's awful but he's really lacking compared to the true championship contenders. I really don't understand the strategy the past few years. Underinvest in the offensive personnel and also hire green offensive coaches that have zero proof of concept at the NFL level.

Same

 

Our first three games were the very definition of unsustainable offensive production. Flukey field position/gameflow, big scores w small yardage, and all against what we know know to be three of the worst teams in the league...never felt right to me

 

We keep not taking offensive seriously. There's a lack of talent to @FireChanspoint but there's also this insistence that we make these bare minimum OC hires. And I'm not saying Brady can't or won't be a good coach eventually but I don't think we can afford to keep doing ojt at this point