JaCrispy Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) Next offseason… -Cut Miller -Cut/trade Milano (30 years old, and back 2 back season ending injuries- he’s toast, just like White was, as much as I hate to say it) -Trade Oliver (Just not what we need in the middle of the line) -Trade Knox (he’s a $14 million blocker- ridiculous! Let Kincaid shine and go back to 21 personnel) We HAVE to clear the dead weight imo… Entering year 2 of a 2-3 year semi rebuild, how would this affect our cap? Edited October 12 by JaCrispy 1 1 3 6 Quote
scuba guy Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) I heard on tbd that house Said the cap is fake. Just ask Jerry jones Edited October 12 by scuba guy 1 2 Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 12 Posted October 12 1 minute ago, Augie said: You lost me at trade Oliver. I am only trading Oliver if it is part of a deal to get an elite receiver and I don't see how that happens. Otherwise he is one of the few "paid" pieces I am definitely keeping. Basically him, Josh Taron and Dion. You probably have to keep Spencer Brown too now and I don't mind that but as I said at the time I think they went early on the extension. 5 Quote
MJS Posted October 12 Posted October 12 Von Miller has a cap hit of $23.9 million in 2025. Cutting him would save $8.5 million against the cap and would incur $15.4 million in dead money. Matt Milano has a cap hit of $16.1 million in 2025. Cutting him would negatively affect the cap (loss of $1.1 million) and incur $17.3 million in dead money. Not sure how trading affects that or not. Ed Oliver has a cap hit of $20.8 million in 2025. Cutting him would negatively affect the cap (loss of $5.7 million) and incur $26.5 million in dead money. Dawson Knox has a cap hit of $14.0 million in 2025. Cutting him would negatively affect the cap (loss of $2.9 million) and incur $17.0 million in dead money. Seems like a lot of bad moves for Buffalo. But someone else can speak to how trading might impact those numbers. I don't know exactly how that works myself. 2 2 2 Quote
US Egg Posted October 12 Posted October 12 Odds of trading three big contract players in the offseason…..100/1? Quote
JaCrispy Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 19 minutes ago, Augie said: You lost me at trade Oliver. Thats fine, but our line will never be dominant with him…There are better prospects in the draft…👍 1 1 2 Quote
JaCrispy Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 33 minutes ago, MJS said: Von Miller has a cap hit of $23.9 million in 2025. Cutting him would save $8.5 million against the cap and would incur $15.4 million in dead money. Matt Milano has a cap hit of $16.1 million in 2025. Cutting him would negatively affect the cap (loss of $1.1 million) and incur $17.3 million in dead money. Not sure how trading affects that or not. Ed Oliver has a cap hit of $20.8 million in 2025. Cutting him would negatively affect the cap (loss of $5.7 million) and incur $26.5 million in dead money. Dawson Knox has a cap hit of $14.0 million in 2025. Cutting him would negatively affect the cap (loss of $2.9 million) and incur $17.0 million in dead money. Seems like a lot of bad moves for Buffalo. But someone else can speak to how trading might impact those numbers. I don't know exactly how that works myself. Wow…we are screwed…😲😲😲 Quote
Chaos Posted October 12 Posted October 12 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Entering year 2 of a 2-3 year semi rebuild, how would this affect our cap? In the Super Bowl era, has any GM / Coaching combination whose team never reached the Super Bowl, been given a 3 year rebuild opportunity after the first 6 years? Do others think we are in year 1 of a 3 year rebuild? 1 1 Quote
JaCrispy Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chaos said: In the Super Bowl era, has any GM / Coaching combination whose team never reached the Super Bowl, been given a 3 year rebuild opportunity after the first 6 years? Do others think we are in year 1 of a 3 year rebuild? It’s not a full rebuild, as we have our QB, o-line, some solid LBs and CBs… But our cap situation is truly atrocious, and needs to be fixed…otherwise we are just spinning our tires with mediocre drafting… Edited October 12 by JaCrispy Quote
Billl Posted October 12 Posted October 12 54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I am only trading Oliver if it is part of a deal to get an elite receiver and I don't see how that happens. Otherwise he is one of the few "paid" pieces I am definitely keeping. Basically him, Josh Taron and Dion. You probably have to keep Spencer Brown too now and I don't mind that but as I said at the time I think they went early on the extension. Excluding Josh, who do you think would have the highest trade value on the team given their age, salary, etc.? Quote
MJS Posted October 12 Posted October 12 3 minutes ago, Billl said: Excluding Josh, who do you think would have the highest trade value on the team given their age, salary, etc.? Terrell Bernard, maybe? Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 12 Posted October 12 It's week 6...can't we wait a little longer I don't have a cap question. With the 4 game Miller suspension does that free up any cap space this year? I don't think he gets paid those four weeks but not sure how much of his 2024 income was sign on bonus or was paid as weekly salary. 1 Quote
GolfandBills Posted October 12 Posted October 12 They are stuck with most of those players one more year except maybe Von. They can get out after this year and save cap space 7 minutes ago, Billl said: Excluding Josh, who do you think would have the highest trade value on the team given their age, salary, etc.? Benford, Rousseau cause they play premium positions Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Billl said: Excluding Josh, who do you think would have the highest trade value on the team given their age, salary, etc.? Really good question. Ed Oliver or Christian Benford would be my guess. Oliver because he is a really good player in a premium position and he'd be taking an AAV of $14m with him once you knock off the bonus money that would stay on our cap. Benford because he has been our best player this season, still has another year left on a 6th year rookie deal and is trending towards being a top zone corner in this league. I think you'd be talking 3rd round picks. EDIT: I suppose if the Bills wanted to trade Kincaid he might fetch a 2nd. But I don't think its a given. I think he could be in the 3rd round range too. Edited October 12 by GunnerBill Quote
<bills4life> Posted October 12 Posted October 12 1 hour ago, MJS said: Von Miller has a cap hit of $23.9 million in 2025. Cutting him would save $8.5 million against the cap and would incur $15.4 million in dead money. Matt Milano has a cap hit of $16.1 million in 2025. Cutting him would negatively affect the cap (loss of $1.1 million) and incur $17.3 million in dead money. Not sure how trading affects that or not. Ed Oliver has a cap hit of $20.8 million in 2025. Cutting him would negatively affect the cap (loss of $5.7 million) and incur $26.5 million in dead money. Dawson Knox has a cap hit of $14.0 million in 2025. Cutting him would negatively affect the cap (loss of $2.9 million) and incur $17.0 million in dead money. Seems like a lot of bad moves for Buffalo. But someone else can speak to how trading might impact those numbers. I don't know exactly how that works myself. Looks like a whole lot of net loss, and not much gain. And this right here illustrates why “the beane is a wizard” mantra is absurd. I’m not saying he is a horrible gm. But in the same token he is not as brilliant as some here would believe. Middling. Kind of like our coaching come playoff time. 1 3 Quote
Chaos Posted October 12 Posted October 12 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: EDIT: I suppose if the Bills wanted to trade Kincaid he might fetch a 2nd. But I don't think its a given. I think he could be in the 3rd round range too. What would Torrence or Dorian Williams fetch? Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 12 Posted October 12 2 minutes ago, Chaos said: What would Torrence or Dorian Williams fetch? Day 3 picks. Neither has yet proven themselves an above average starter. 1 1 Quote
Mango Posted October 12 Posted October 12 2 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Next offseason… -Cut Miller -Cut/trade Milano (30 years old, and back 2 back season ending injuries- he’s toast, just like White was, as much as I hate to say it) -Trade Oliver (Just not what we need in the middle of the line) -Trade Knox (he’s a $14 million blocker- ridiculous! Let Kincaid shine and go back to 21 personnel) We HAVE to clear the dead weight imo… Entering year 2 of a 2-3 year semi rebuild, how would this affect our cap? In the 2024 NFL 2-3 years isn't a semi rebuild, it is a full on rebuild. And you don't have a full on rebuild if you have the QB situation figured out. Von Miller is likely gone next year. I will be shocked if he is still around. Milano is interesting because he is only $1M off the roster than on. They do have an out after 2025. So in theory that could be a player they do something with. But I don't think so. I think Milano will have to make a decision on whether to extend in Buffalo long term at a lower price or try and get paid on a series of more lucrative short term deals to account for the fact he has been a major injury liability. Knox also has an out after 2025. However I think an extension at a more reasonable cost could happen. Quote
SoMAn Posted October 12 Posted October 12 1 hour ago, MJS said: Von Miller has a cap hit of $23.9 million in 2025. Cutting him would save $8.5 million against the cap and would incur $15.4 million in dead money. Matt Milano has a cap hit of $16.1 million in 2025. Cutting him would negatively affect the cap (loss of $1.1 million) and incur $17.3 million in dead money. Not sure how trading affects that or not. Ed Oliver has a cap hit of $20.8 million in 2025. Cutting him would negatively affect the cap (loss of $5.7 million) and incur $26.5 million in dead money. Dawson Knox has a cap hit of $14.0 million in 2025. Cutting him would negatively affect the cap (loss of $2.9 million) and incur $17.0 million in dead money. Seems like a lot of bad moves for Buffalo. But someone else can speak to how trading might impact those numbers. I don't know exactly how that works myself. I know almost nothing about the cap as it doesn't much interest me, but I want to throw this in there....using the Von Miller example of saving 8.5 million, correct me if I'm wrong, but that doesn't account for whatever roster spot is used to fill that void, correct? So, in effect, if they replace him with a player making something close to 8.5, there's really no saving at all. The only benefit that I see is that the replacement would have to contribute more to wins than Miller, otherwise it's not a plus. 1 Quote
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