The one Tweet that perfectly sums up the Bills' offensive struggles right now

[Comebackkid]

50 minutes ago, <bills4life> said:

And yet he has 9 catches in 5 games.  Explain that for me. Either he isn’t being utilized right or these stats are not accurate. Less than 2 receptions a game. 

Utilization or lack there of

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

https://www.audacy.com/wgr550/sports/bills/listen-mcdermott-its-about-points-not-yards-against-miami

You are struggling mightily with reading comprehension haha  this is about how yards are meaningless if you’re not turning them into tds because that one loss to the dolphins we had a buttload of yards and couldn’t convert in the redzone.  Its literally proof of the opposite of what you’re trying to say 😂

 

if McDermott secretly hates points you think he’s just gonna volunteer that to the media? lol this is insane 

Edited 3 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

You are struggling mightily with reading comprehension haha  this is about how yards are meaningless if you’re not turning them into tds because that one loss to the dolphins we had a buttload of yards and couldn’t convert in the redzone.  Its literally proof of the opposite of what you’re trying to say 😂

 

if McDermott secretly hates points you think he’s just gonna volunteer that to the media? lol this is insane 

OMG dude.  

[LABILLBACKER]

Both Baltimore & Houston had no fear getting beat deep by us. They ran cover 1 with 5 rushers. They would've been burned twice on it if Josh could've made a little better pass to Hollins or Kincaid.  I'm sure the Jets will do the same.  We have no reliable X guys. Thanks BB....

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

While I'm here and we're on the topic of receivers separating against man coverage...

As someone who was against drafting Keon Coleman, I would be remiss not to post the following.

Not too shabby, rook. #FeedKeon

 

 

 

There is my boy Polk...I was hyping him up ahead of the draft and people said he couldn't separate either.  

[JohnnyBuffalo]

When you fall behind and have to throw it’s easier to defend.    Isn’t that more of what has happened recently?

 

Bills have forced other teams to go one dimensional and that’s the recipe for success.   When you have the run or pass at your disposal the Bills D is historically bad when playing talented teams.  

Edited 2 hours ago by JohnnyBuffalo
Clarification

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

I mean...

The Bills offense DOES appear to primarily be built to beat the two-deep shell the Bills (and other high powered offenses) have been seeing a ton for the better part of two seasons. 

The Bills offense NO LONGER appears to be as ideally suited (at least based on the past two games' results) to beat man coverage, at least based on the lack of separation we've seen by these receivers against it the past two games

I understand what you're saying, but...I think the Tweet in the OP is pretty on target.

My take is that the offense cannot function without Shakir. That's a problem.

[balln]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

There is my boy Polk...I was hyping him up ahead of the draft and people said he couldn't separate either.  

Yup I wanted bills to draft him. I thought for sure when they traded back he was gonna be the one. Nope. He was more plug and play ready to start / play a bunch and run a complete route tree.

 

keon is ok. He’s gonna take time. He may never develop into anything tho- not a wr1 or 2 on the perimeter. Hes big slot. All the way

[GoBills808]

28 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I certainly had a good idea that they were developing an offense to combat the cover 2 shell. You didn’t?  🤷🏻‍♂️ 

 

it’s not this hasn’t been discussed here

 

 

 

 

so how convenient teams aren't running it suddenly against us! of course that must be why we're struggling lmfao miss me w this

 

you know what beats cover2? nico collins and dk metcalf. ceedee lamb. justin jefferson and jordan addison. samuel+aiyuk+kittle+shanahan. reid and kelce and rice and mahomes. ben johnson and st brown/jameson williams. you want to sit there and tell me you knew they were going for some innovative cover2 beating offense w keon coleman, khalil shakir, and joe brady be my guest lol

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

Not to oversimplify things, but....

This. This is pretty much it. 


 

 

 

 

Yeah. Ouch.

 

Part of that isn't fair, though. Diggs forced his way out. That wasn't part of the plan.

 

 

31 minutes ago, MJS said:

My take is that the offense cannot function without Shakir. That's a problem.

 

 

This is fair too, but they absolutely look like they might struggle against one-high even with him back. We'll see.

 

Looked from early on like this might be a year when they took a step back after losing Diggs, Morse, the safeties and the others.

 

We've seen the counter-moves opposing Ds are making. Can the Bills evolve and adapt successfully?

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Thurman#1

[PBF81]

Taking the strongest-armed QB in the league and a QB that can make any throw, and putting him into a short-yardage game-managing passing game with an emphasis on running the ball particularly when your RBs are averaging a pathetic 4.0 yards-per-carry average, and with the help of a 49-yard run, the longest of Cook's career, 3.6 otherwise, is pure genius.  (extreme sarcasm)  

 

Exhibit A  

 

On a side note that's what Cook averaged last season under Brady in 6 games apart from the Dallas game, 3.6 YPC, and everyone rants about how great our running game was under Brady.  SMFH  

 

 

[BillsVet]

 

This chart is, according to Warren Sharp, Buffalo's success rate throwing the ball through Week 5 this season.  Inside the numbers is pretty good.  Outside, well, that speaks for itself.

 

Also find it ironic that Sharp acknowledged today he at one time consulted or advised the Bills, but no longer does.

 

Point is, they calculated the offense would succeed with their current personnel and these past 2 games point to that being a huge error.  At some point, the architects above the coordinator level need to own up to planning poorly and not resourcing the offense properly.  

 

It's too late for 2024, but there needs to be an overhaul to how this team plays football.  Might take jettisoning McD and his version of complementary football.  

Edited 1 hour ago by BillsVet

[SCBills]

I know we planned on likely having him, but Diggs here doesn’t solve this issue. 
 

We got clamped against similar types of teams with him and Davis also. 
 

What happened to the Texans when Nico Collins went out against our beat up defense?   Even with Dell & Diggs, they couldn’t do much of anything.

 

Diggs would’ve just been another guy better suited to play out of the slot like almost everyone else on this team.  

 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, <bills4life> said:

And yet he has 9 catches in 5 games.  Explain that for me. Either he isn’t being utilized right or these stats are not accurate. Less than 2 receptions a game. 

 

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Agreed. They're not threatening on the perimeter or on the deep ball.

I'd be loading up the box, spamming the middle of the field, and keying on the run game.

Prove you can beat me outside. Prove you can beat me deep.

As for Buffalo countering that: MVS, for whatever anyone may think of him, didn't suddenly become slow or unable to get open deep. Keon Coleman was brought in to be a jump ball specialist downfield and to be open even when he's covered (which he's done a bit of already). Curtis Samuel is not slow, either. The Bills potentially HAVE the horses to make defenses pay for this type of strategy, but they have not yet done so.

Personally, I'd like to see a mix of 12 personnel with Coleman and MVS as the outside receivers (which I think presents the run threat and opens up play-action possibilities short and intermediate to our talented TEs and deep to the WRs) and 11 personnel with Coleman, Samuel, Shakir, and Kincaid and Cook as the tailback. Pair these with plenty of motion and play-action. This, to me, is the way to make our offense dangerous again.

These two go hand in hand, and like everything else, this isn’t a pie. A lot of things can be true at the same time.

 

Josh is a freak athlete with a tendency to lock on to one or two guys, do something insane and throw to who is in there or his favorite guy. And he’s going all that at level that is pacing him to a likely HoF career.
 

He’s certainly capable of being surgical and equitable but that isn’t his sweet spot or his default. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Mango

[Uncle Monkeyhead]

This, in my opinion, is part of what's wrong with the offense this season

 

First, the Bills need to run Allen a few times earlier on. Defenses are now convinced that he's been coached to stay in the pocket more this season to preserve him for the long haul. Rightfully so, because the Bills have done just that this season. Hardly any designed QB runs! While I don't think he should revert back to doing this as often as he did in the past, I do believe sprinkling this in a little more this season will force Defenses to account for it. That's the plus to having Allen that has taxed D's the past few years. Use his running threat to set the rest up. This new plan is also getting him hit more than what he was when he was attacking the D with his legs. He's getting killed out there! He needs to be the hammer, not the nail 

 

Second, what's this plan to not throw to Knox? Plays now are largely designed to use him more as a blocker or decoy. Josh loved throwing to this guy in the past. Why is it removed from the game plan now? Get this guy involved. You paid him, use him. 

 

3rd, Cook is a weapon. I see them going away from him in favorable situations after he has gouged the D for 5-7 yards a pop. Mind boggling. He's the mismatch you need as an offense. 

 

One last thing.... I've noticed in these last 2 losses, that the presnap motion is not being used much at all. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Uncle Monkeyhead

[Bferra13]

I stole this from Facebook so no credit to me, but funny.

 

[Thurman#1]

 

 

51 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

Taking the strongest-armed QB in the league and a QB that can make any throw, and putting him into a short-yardage game-managing passing game with an emphasis on running the ball particularly when your RBs are averaging a pathetic 4.0 yards-per-carry average, and with the help of a 49-yard run, the longest of Cook's career, 3.6 otherwise, is pure genius.  (extreme sarcasm)  

 

Exhibit A  

 

On a side note that's what Cook averaged last season under Brady in 6 games apart from the Dallas game, 3.6 YPC, and everyone rants about how great our running game was under Brady.  SMFH  

 

 

 

 

Come on, man, removing the best game is cherry-picking. Taking the best game out of any seven-game sample and you're likely to come out not looking particularly good. Same for singling out the long run and implying you can take it out as an outlier. You run a lot and you'll have a few long runs, particularly with a guy as fast as Cook. That's just how stats work.

 

Cherry-picking out the best stuff is distorting the picture.

 

Jets 38 for 130, Allen 5 for 15

Eagles 40 for 173, Allen 9 for 81

Chiefs 28 for 118, Allen 10 for 32

Cowboys 49 for 266, Allen 8 for 24

Chargers 30 for 105, Allen 5 for 15

Patriots 37 for 127, Allen 11 for 44

Dolphins 36 for 128, 15 for 67

 

And the Jets, Eagles, Chiefs, Cowboys, Chargers, Patriots and Dolphins was a damn tough defensive slate against the run last year.

 

In rushing defense, those were the 25th, 10th, 18th, 16th, 17th, 4th and 7th best teams, a pretty good bunch overall, only one team below 18th best.

 

In any case, 258 for 1047 (4.05 YPC) or all runs isn't bad when it's forcing teams to bring guys into the box and making things easier for Allen. Take out Allen's runs (63 for 268) and it's still pretty good (195 for 779, 3.99 YPC)

 

The OC's job isn't to make his running attack efficient on a play to play basis. It's to make his whole offense productive. Brady did that. They averaged 27 PPG and 380 YPG. That's 3rd in yards and 7th in points.

 

As for putting QBs into short-yardage, game-managing offenses, that's just what NFL defenses are doing to all good long-ball QBs the past couple of years. Mahomes' AY/A is the lowest in his career. It's not just Allen, it's everyone. (Not that I wish we hadn't been in better cap shape to better replace Diggs.)

 

 

47 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

This chart is, according to Warren Sharp, Buffalo's success rate throwing the ball through Week 5 this season.  Inside the numbers is pretty good.  Outside, well, that speaks for itself.

 

Also find it ironic that Sharp acknowledged today he at one time consulted or advised the Bills, but no longer does.

 

Point is, they calculated the offense would succeed with their current personnel and these past 2 games point to that being a huge error.  At some point, the architects above the coordinator level need to own up to planning poorly and not resourcing the offense properly.  

 

It's too late for 2024, but there needs to be an overhaul to how this team plays football.  Might take jettisoning McD and his version of complementary football.  

 

 

"It's too late for 2024"? In the middle of week 6?

 

Um, no. No, it's not.

 

And what they calculated is that with the cap situation as it is and the personnel the way it is after losing Diggs, this was the best way they could allocate resources while freeing up and improving the cap situation for the future. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Thurman#1

[Logic]

50 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

Taking the strongest-armed QB in the league and a QB that can make any throw, and putting him into a short-yardage game-managing passing game with an emphasis on running the ball particularly when your RBs are averaging a pathetic 4.0 yards-per-carry average, and with the help of a 49-yard run, the longest of Cook's career, 3.6 otherwise, is pure genius.  (extreme sarcasm)  

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

As for putting QBs into short-yardage, game-managing offenses, that's just what NFL defenses are doing to all good long-ball QBs the past couple of years. Mahomes' AY/A is the lowest in his career. It's not just Allen, it's everyone. (Not that I wish we hadn't been in better cap shape to better replace Diggs.)

To Thurman's point, this is the way the league is trending at the moment. Here's the most recent game from the league's best QB, who alongside an all time great offensive mind in Andy Reid currently leads a 5-0 Chiefs team:


 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

 

To Thurman's point, this is the way the league is trending at the moment. Here's the most recent game from the league's best QB, who alongside an all time great offensive mind in Andy Reid currently leads a 5-0 Chiefs team:


 

 

 

I have brought this up multiple times.  Not this specific chart but KC in general for the last 2 years.  Mahomes specifically said he is going to take what the defense gives him.

[GoBills808]

So much cope in this thread