Logic Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 (edited) Not to oversimplify things, but.... This. This is pretty much it. Edited October 9 by Logic 10 1 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 7 minutes ago, Logic said: Not to oversimplify things, but.... This. This is pretty much it. no actually this is cover1 and all the people who repeated ad nauseum 'the two deep shell is changing the game and Brady's offense is at the forefront' trying to sell bad take insurance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 They were seeing a lot of two deep shells up until this week, imo. I don't think one week is a trend. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: no actually this is cover1 and all the people who repeated ad nauseum 'the two deep shell is changing the game and Brady's offense is at the forefront' trying to sell bad take insurance I mean... The Bills offense DOES appear to primarily be built to beat the two-deep shell the Bills (and other high powered offenses) have been seeing a ton for the better part of two seasons. The Bills offense NO LONGER appears to be as ideally suited (at least based on the past two games' results) to beat man coverage, at least based on the lack of separation we've seen by these receivers against it the past two games I understand what you're saying, but...I think the Tweet in the OP is pretty on target. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 It makes sense but if this assumption is correct, I can’t understand why they didn’t try for better option at WR. Because you’d have to assume that once teams shift out of Cover 2, you need to be able to beat them on the outside. Even with Diggs and Davis this team was missing a fast deep threat to stretch the field. Curtis Samuel is a fast, versatile receiver but his ADOT was under 10 yards - he’s not that player. Coleman doesn’t fit that profile either I was skeptical of this WR roster before the season and I hope that Brady can figure something out because the past two weeks have looked really bad 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 Just now, Simon said: They were seeing a lot of two deep shells up until this week, imo. I don't think one week is a trend. If I'm not mistaken, the Ravens also reverted to the old "play tight man coverage and blitz the hell out of 'em" strategy we used to see a ton prior to Diggs' arrival. So that would be two games in a row. Granted, most teams likely don't have the DL or the corners necessary to do this as successfully and as often as the Ravens and Texans did it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 Just now, Logic said: I mean... The Bills offense DOES appear to primarily be built to beat the two-deep shell the Bills (and other high powered offenses) have been seeing a ton for the better part of two seasons. The Bills offense NO LONGER appears to be as ideally suited (at least based on the past two games' results) to beat man coverage, at least based on the lack of separation we've seen by these receivers against it the past two games I understand what you're saying, but...I think the Tweet in the OP is pretty on target. nah you can't sell me they were so far ahead now they're behind. not this group 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 While I'm here and we're on the topic of receivers separating against man coverage... As someone who was against drafting Keon Coleman, I would be remiss not to post the following. Not too shabby, rook. #FeedKeon 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 2 minutes ago, Simon said: They were seeing a lot of two deep shells up until this week, imo. I don't think one week is a trend. jags for sure but dolphins also iirc played us in single high a bunch granted they didn't do a great job but the book is out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 If I am playing the Bills I would be making them make boundary throws also because their outside receivers are pretty poor right now and no one scares people enough to play deep safeties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 5 minutes ago, Logic said: If I'm not mistaken, the Ravens also reverted to the old "play tight man coverage and blitz the hell out of 'em" strategy we used to see a ton prior to Diggs' arrival. I think that the alarming success rate of Baltimore's blitzes gave the impression that they were blitzing much more than they were. They were certainly showing a ton, but they were backing out of most of them. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 (edited) I think the bills over corrected. Joshs fast ball is always going to be 11 personnel with shifty receivers, and the bills have transformed to more 12 personnel with bigger, slower wide receivers. I get the bills can't play offence like they did in 2020/2021 with a lot of 10/11 personnel because defences have adjusted and went more small/2 deep safeties, but I wish they met more in the middle opposed to going to this drastic change Edited October 9 by BillsFan130 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 11 minutes ago, Simon said: They were seeing a lot of two deep shells up until this week, imo. I don't think one week is a trend. It wasn’t like guys weren’t beating it occasionally too. The plays were there to win that game we just didn’t make them for various reasons 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<bills4life> Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Logic said: While I'm here and we're on the topic of receivers separating against man coverage... As someone who was against drafting Keon Coleman, I would be remiss not to post the following. Not too shabby, rook. #FeedKeon And yet he has 9 catches in 5 games. Explain that for me. Either he isn’t being utilized right or these stats are not accurate. Less than 2 receptions a game. Edited October 9 by <bills4life> 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: no actually this is cover1 and all the people who repeated ad nauseum 'the two deep shell is changing the game and Brady's offense is at the forefront' trying to sell bad take insurance But what they’re saying is 💯 true. It was then. It is now. This team was constructed to beat cover 2 shell- short, underneath and rac. Now that teams going cover 1 and forcing us to win outside, we can’t…. Like we all figured would happen. It’s just not many of us were thinking the league would switch it up on us (not that they are, Houston always plays cover 1, hence the problems last week). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 4 minutes ago, Locomark said: If I am playing the Bills I would be making them make boundary throws also because their outside receivers are pretty poor right now and no one scares people enough to play deep safeties. Agreed. They're not threatening on the perimeter or on the deep ball. I'd be loading up the box, spamming the middle of the field, and keying on the run game. Prove you can beat me outside. Prove you can beat me deep. As for Buffalo countering that: MVS, for whatever anyone may think of him, didn't suddenly become slow or unable to get open deep. Keon Coleman was brought in to be a jump ball specialist downfield and to be open even when he's covered (which he's done a bit of already). Curtis Samuel is not slow, either. The Bills potentially HAVE the horses to make defenses pay for this type of strategy, but they have not yet done so. Personally, I'd like to see a mix of 12 personnel with Coleman and MVS as the outside receivers (which I think presents the run threat and opens up play-action possibilities short and intermediate to our talented TEs and deep to the WRs) and 11 personnel with Coleman, Samuel, Shakir, and Kincaid and Cook as the tailback. Pair these with plenty of motion and play-action. This, to me, is the way to make our offense dangerous again. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 5 minutes ago, Simon said: I think that the alarming success rate of Baltimore's blitzes gave the impression that they were blitzing much more than they were. They were certainly showing a ton, but they were backing out of most of them. I agree. Houston rarely if ever plays if and they stuck with what they play. Just now, Logic said: Agreed. They're not threatening on the perimeter or on the deep ball. I'd be loading up the box, spamming the middle of the field, and keying on the run game. Prove you can beat me outside. Prove you can beat me deep. As for Buffalo countering that: MVS, for whatever anyone may think of him, didn't suddenly become slow or unable to get open deep. Keon Coleman was brought in to be a jump ball specialist downfield and to be open even when he's covered (which he's done a bit of already). Curtis Samuel is not slow, either. The Bills potentially HAVE the horses to make defenses pay for this type of strategy, but they have not yet done so. Personally, I'd like to see a mix of 12 personnel with Coleman and MVS as the outside receivers (which I think presents the run threat and opens up play-action possibilities short and intermediate to our talented TEs and deep to the WRs) and 11 personnel with Coleman, Samuel, Shakir, and Kincaid and Cook as the tailback. Pair these with plenty of motion and play-action. This, to me, is the way to make our offense dangerous again. I don’t want to see MVS EVER again. He might be good for 2-3 plays this season at the expense of 20 other incompletions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 27 minutes ago, Logic said: Not to oversimplify things, but.... This. This is pretty much it. I knew this would happen and wondered why teams were testing us more, given we have no deep threats. also, I also had wondered why teams weren’t testing our own 2-high on defense. Texans did and burned us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 4 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: It wasn’t like guys weren’t beating it occasionally too. The plays were there to win that game we just didn’t make them for various reasons A couple bad drops, a couple poor throws and the next thing you know you can get beat by a freaking punter and a kicker. 🤷♂️ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: But what they’re saying is 💯 true. It was then. It is now. This team was constructed to beat cover 2 shell- short, underneath and rac. Now that teams going cover 1 and forcing us to win outside, we can’t…. Like we all figured would happen. It’s just not many of us were thinking the league would switch it up on us (not that they are, Houston always plays cover 1, hence the problems last week). that's a very generous interpretation of the offense i would say they constructed the it to minimize turnovers, maximize TOP, and grind games out. there's not much in our personnel or scheme, past or present, that leads me to believe this is some factory built cover2 beating machine 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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