Neuroscientist wants the NFL to investigate Josh Allen’s apparent head injury

[Pecos Bills]

A wise man once said, if the only tool you have is a sports concussion 501(c)(3), it is tempting to treat everything as if it were a concussion.  Or something like that.

 

[K-9]

20 minutes ago, T.E. said:

The Concussion Legacy Foundation finds it in every single former player they test for it, too. Raises a lot of questions. Sampling bias? Do they ever test the brains of people who didn't play contact/combat sports professionally? Does everyone possibly have this, to some degree?

A quote from their own website:

 

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Although we cannot yet accurately diagnose CTE in living people, a specialist can help treat the symptoms presenting the most challenges. Those struggling with suspected CTE are not the only ones who need support. View tools and resources for CTE caregivers.

 

I guess as long as they don’t have to actually be accurate about it, then I guess they can diagnose the condition in any living person presenting any kind of symptoms consistent with those found in dead people after their brains have been dissected and CTE definitively diagnosed. 

[dorquemada]

1 hour ago, Success said:

I thought he said on the sideline that it was his chest & not his head?

 

 

I don't want JA put at risk in any way and agree that I'm okay w/ what they're doing here.

 

But what do you mean by making peace w/ this season?  We lost 2, so we are out of the running now?

 

 

It's not that they lost 2 in a row, though that's certainly a consideration, it's that they looked flat as hell, slow, disinterested, and poorly coached.  Like I said in another thread, it's like the Jags were their superbowl and now they're checked out.  The Jets game will be telling.  If the Bills come out with their 1960s style offense, and do their 3 and out dance for the first several drives, it's safe to say that the last 2 games are more representative of who they actually are than the first 3.  They're not going to get to play Arizona and the Jags in the playoffs, and right now this team looks woefully overmatched vs KC.

 

But hey, we'll get lots of clapping on the sidelines, maybe some entertaining nuggets from the locker room or off field as the wheels come off.  It sure would suck if Diggs wasn't the cancer we've all been told he was, but it was someone else still on the team.

 

 

[Doc]

Investigate...what exactly?  He went back in the game, did his post-game press conference and 48 hours later still isn't in concussion protocol.

[billieve420]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

The guy I saw hit the turf did.

 

From what I understand less than 10% of concussions occurs when someone loses consciousness. So it is possible he didn't have a concussion. However, if he did get knocked out he is supposed to be pulled from the game regardless for what I imagine would be other tests in the locker room. 

[zow2]

If Josh didn’t have his brain rattled, and he really does not have a concussion or lingering symptoms… then the man truly is a cyborg. Freak of nature physically.

 

Most of us smacking our helmeted heads on the turf that hard would be sitting in a dark room all week eating oatmeal.  

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, dorquemada said:

 

Yeah he bounced his head pretty hard off the carpet.  I was surprised to see him back in.  I find it pretty hard to believe he didn't have a concussion.

Anybody whos watched or heard Josh talk knows he'd die trying to win us a SB.  I'm pretty old school, in that, it looked like a "head ringer" (we know now, those are concussions even if mini) someone can shake off in a tight game in 4th quarter.  I'm also one clammoring for Tua to hang em up, especially since hes so likeable. IMO Josh was mostly fine, but it was still a risk coming out.... another big blow in that game could realllllly change the trajectory of his career.

 

Basically, driving w/o a seatbelt id equate it too. Proli fine once here or there, but over a large sample, there will be major repercussions from some of that sample.

 

My point here, is that I'd bet my life savings Joshs head was shook up, and this was a minor concussion at minimum, and that he'd NEVER let that take him out of a game.  Whether it was deflecting blame at a chest or "wind knocked out", all the way to, bluffing his baseline tests, so that he can play through mini-events like that one.

 

Please be smart about it, if its bad, do not fake your way through it, and on smaller ones, make an honest self reflection "how bad is it" and ask whether that game scenario is "worth any risk at all."  

 

Secondly, NFL, take your tax exempt money and fund the ever living snot out of the guardian cap guys!!!  Make them look more like the real thing, hide them inside helmets, or create a larger shell to throw over those things. GUARANTEED if you do some or all of that, the voluntary participation will skyrocket! Cmon Roger, do something where everyone wins for once

[Malazan]

10 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Anybody whos watched or heard Josh talk knows he'd die trying to win us a SB.  I'm pretty old school, in that, it looked like a "head ringer" (we know now, those are concussions even if mini) someone can shake off in a tight game in 4th quarter.  I'm also one clammoring for Tua to hang em up, especially since hes so likeable. IMO Josh was mostly fine, but it was still a risk coming out.... another big blow in that game could realllllly change the trajectory of his career.

 

Basically, driving w/o a seatbelt id equate it too. Proli fine once here or there, but over a large sample, there will be major repercussions from some of that sample.

 

My point here, is that I'd bet my life savings Joshs head was shook up, and this was a minor concussion at minimum, and that he'd NEVER let that take him out of a game.  Whether it was deflecting blame at a chest or "wind knocked out", all the way to, bluffing his baseline tests, so that he can play through mini-events like that one.

 

Please be smart about it, if its bad, do not fake your way through it, and on smaller ones, make an honest self reflection "how bad is it" and ask whether that game scenario is "worth any risk at all."  

 

Secondly, NFL, take your tax exempt money and fund the ever living snot out of the guardian cap guys!!!  Make them look more like the real thing, hide them inside helmets, or create a larger shell to throw over those things. GUARANTEED if you do some or all of that, the voluntary participation will skyrocket! Cmon Roger, do something where everyone wins for once

 

1. It's not the NFL that has been keeping anti-concussion helmets out of the league. Each and every time, it's been the players and their union opposing it.

2. Josh doesn't get a say in the decision of whether he's concussed or not. An independent neurologist chosen by the NFL and NFLPA does. They are beholden as much to the NFLPA as they are to the league itself. He also gets investigated by team physicians who are beholden to the team, but are extremely unlikely to make a shortsighted decision.

 

[papazoid]

a doctor's explanation

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbArMIB7v30

[BillsShredder83]

11 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

1. It's not the NFL that has been keeping anti-concussion helmets out of the league. Each and every time, it's been the players and their union opposing it.

2. Josh doesn't get a say in the decision of whether he's concussed or not. An independent neurologist chosen by the NFL and NFLPA does. They are beholden as much to the NFLPA as they are to the league itself. He also gets investigated by team physicians who are beholden to the team, but are extremely unlikely to make a shortsighted decision.

 

Hard disagree.  We've seen it happen plenty in the league, and Josh did it last year. If its minor, and it was, and Josh fibbed his baseline enough to give himself some autonomy for smaller ones we'd never know.  Players have openly spoke on throwing off their baseline tests..... its a billion dollar business, played by the most competitive people in the world.  Id bet my life Josh threw baseline off even just a smidge, so he can play through those exact scenarios.  Im 90% sure weve already seen it from Josh before.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 hours ago, papazoid said:

he hit his head pretty hard.....his hand wrist went limp as he slid/rolled to a stop.....sure looked like he was knocked out, however briefly

 

should be interesting if he experiences any symptoms this week 

I def agree with the skepticism 100% but I think you can get knocked out without having a concussion (had to soften my language a bit after reading even more sources haha).  I don’t trust that the independent neuros are actually independent hence the skepticism  but in theory theyd be able to tell the difference

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Malazan]

11 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Hard disagree.  We've seen it happen plenty in the league, and Josh did it last year. If its minor, and it was, and Josh fibbed his baseline enough to give himself some autonomy for smaller ones we'd never know.  Players have openly spoke on throwing off their baseline tests..... its a billion dollar business, played by the most competitive people in the world.  Id bet my life Josh threw baseline off even just a smidge, so he can play through those exact scenarios.  Im 90% sure weve already seen it from Josh before.  

 

So to paraphrase"

1. Josh Allen is lying and after being knocked silly and concussed was coherent enough to fake being ok

2. Independent Neurologists hired by the player's union are lying or incompetent

3. Team medical staff are lying or incompetent

 

But you, with your years of expertise and being a paragon of virtue, know the truth. Did your own research, did you?

Edited 1 hour ago by Malazan

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

A quote from their own website:

 

 

I guess as long as they don’t have to actually be accurate about it, then I guess they can diagnose the condition in any living person presenting any kind of symptoms consistent with those found in dead people after their brains have been dissected and CTE definitively diagnosed. 

Are you opposed to erring on the side of caution or something

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Do you disagree with the article?

What differences is it if I agree with it or not?  

 

One thing I didnt knows, it "appeared he was offered smelling salts"?  that i didn't know

[Drew21PA]

Thought he was out and shouldn’t have been out there personally 

[Savage]

4 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Neuroscientist wants the NFL to investigate Josh Allen’s apparent head injury, despite the QB passing a concussion check

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/08/sport/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-chris-nowinski-spt-intl/index.html

Can’t disagree.

 

he was out for a couple seconds.

 

No doubt.

 

 

[Buddy Hix]

51 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

So to paraphrase"

1. Josh Allen is lying and after being knocked silly and concussed was coherent enough to fake being ok

2. Independent Neurologists hired by the player's union are lying or incompetent

3. Team medical staff are lying or incompetent

 

But you, with your years of expertise and being a paragon of virtue, know the truth. Did your own research, did you?

Intentionally tanking your baseline test isn’t outside the realm of possibilities. And doing so would render your last two points moot, as the neurologist and doctor wouldn’t be lying or incompetent, just getting bad data.

[Savage]

55 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

So to paraphrase"

1. Josh Allen is lying and after being knocked silly and concussed was coherent enough to fake being ok

2. Independent Neurologists hired by the player's union are lying or incompetent

3. Team medical staff are lying or incompetent

 

But you, with your years of expertise and being a paragon of virtue, know the truth. Did your own research, did you?

It was obvious that he was out, although very briefly.

 

it shouldn’t matter , should it?

 

just because he didn’t go all Tua, doesn’t mean he wasn’t in a bad state.

[Malazan]

1 minute ago, Buddy Hix said:

Intentionally tanking your baseline test isn’t outside the realm of possibilities. And doing so would render your last two points moot, as the neurologist and doctor wouldn’t be lying or incompetent, just getting bad data.

 

..but the TV doctors were able to diagnose it.. 🙄

..and I'm sure you can tell me what the baseline tests that you think are so easy to fake pass are without looking them up..

 

 

 

[Returntoglory]

He's out of his mind!