Neuroscientist wants the NFL to investigate Josh Allen’s apparent head injury

[BarleyNY]

16 minutes ago, boyst said:

His body. His choice. 

Not the case as it happened in Texas. 

[thewookie1]

It is possible to to pass out without a concussion occasionally.

 

My brother was tripped inadvertently at a friendly skate and went head first into the dasher of the boards and got a nasty cut as well as being knocked out briefly. The ambulance and the hospital both concluded he hadn't got a concussion. So in rare cases it is possible.

Edited October 8 by thewookie1

[K-9]

23 minutes ago, Saxum said:

 

Has he been checked for CTE or this just publicity to raise donations for Concussion Legacy Foundation?

He has quite a bit of conflict of interest.

CTE can only be conclusively diagnosed after death.

[Donuts and Doritos]

[WotAGuy]

38 minutes ago, papazoid said:

he hit his head pretty hard.....his hand wrist went limp as he slid/rolled to a stop.....sure looked like he was knocked out, however briefly

 

should be interesting if he experiences any symptoms this week 

His wrist went limp?

 

[Malazan]

The discussion of how political each news network is really contributes to the discussion. I understand the science behind concussions much better after reading it.

[Sojourner]

Man, Rodgers ’ making moves. 
 

First he gets rid of Saleh. Now forcing the league to take action in having Josh out of this MNF. 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 8 by Sojourner

[papazoid]

9 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

His wrist went limp?

 

 

https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1843014918779662595

[T.E.]

14 minutes ago, K-9 said:

CTE can only be conclusively diagnosed after death.

The Concussion Legacy Foundation finds it in every single former player they test for it, too. Raises a lot of questions. Sampling bias? Do they ever test the brains of people who didn't play contact/combat sports professionally? Does everyone possibly have this, to some degree?

[BringBackFergy]

Sure looked like he suffered a head injury on the flea flicker play vs Ravens. Banged his head on turf pretty bad on that play. Sure hope it wasn’t two concussions in two weeks. 

[Augie]

I think he passed by being “perky”. Is that a medical term? 

[Royale with Cheese]

I certainly thought he was concussed at the time.  But when he ran out, I didn't think he was.

I have been around people with concussions a lot and he certainly didn't act like a person who sustained a concussion after leaving the tent.

But none of us are doctors or evaluated him.

[Alphadawg7]

I am 1000000% for player safety.  But...I have some issues here:

1. Hitting your head does not guarantee a concussion.  
2. Allen did not seem to have any lingering affects at any point as he walked off the field to when he came back into the game or through his play.  Not even in the post game interview either.  
3. Allen can be heard talking about his chest like he more got the wind knocked out of him.  Granted, he could be just saying that trying to stay in the game, but that is why he goes to the tent to be checked by an independent 3rd party head trauma specialist.
4. He was cleared to go back in by that independent specialist, which ever since Tua's issues in 2022 it is VERY difficult to get cleared now where even the slightest suspicion and they will error on the side of caution and not let them back in.  

So I am not sure what someone watching from a TV thinks they know more about than the 3rd party impartial specialist who directly examined him and cleared him to return when they are incredibly strict now since the Tua issues in 2022.    

 

 

Edited October 8 by Alphadawg7

[stevestojan]

Why is a neuroscientist commenting on an obvious back spasm? 

[nedboy7]

I like it.  Then we can tank for the season.  I can go back to origami classes on Sundays. 

[Malazan]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I am 1000000% for player safety.  But...I have some issues here:

1. Hitting your head does not guarantee a concussion.  
2. Allen did not seem to have any lingering affects at any point as he walked off the field to when he came back into the game or through his play.  Not even in the post game interview either.  
3. Allen can be heard talking about his chest like he more got the wind knocked out of him.  Granted, he could be just saying that trying to stay in the game, but that is why he goes to the tent to be checked by an independent 3rd party head trauma specialist.
4. He was cleared to go back in by that independent specialist, which ever since Tua's issues in 2022 it is VERY difficult to get cleared now where even the slightest suspicion and they will error on the side of caution and not let them back in.  

So I am not sure what someone watching from a TV thinks they know more about than the 3rd party impartial specialist who directly examined him and cleared him to return when they are incredibly strict now since the Tua issues in 2022.   

 

When it's a person who has been adversarial against the NFL and continually written articles about the concussion lawsuit and personally profits from the condition.. well.. I don't think the player's welfare is the 1st thing in his mind.

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I am 1000000% for player safety.  But...I have some issues here:

1. Hitting your head does not guarantee a concussion.  
2. Allen did not seem to have any lingering affects at any point as he walked off the field to when he came back into the game or through his play.  Not even in the post game interview either.  
3. Allen can be heard talking about his chest like he more got the wind knocked out of him.  Granted, he could be just saying that trying to stay in the game, but that is why he goes to the tent to be checked by an independent 3rd party head trauma specialist.
4. He was cleared to go back in by that independent specialist, which ever since Tua's issues in 2022 it is VERY difficult to get cleared now where even the slightest suspicion and they will error on the side of caution and not let them back in.  

So I am not sure what someone watching from a TV thinks they know more about than the 3rd party impartial specialist who directly examined him and cleared him to return when they are incredibly strict now since the Tua issues in 2022.    

 

 

 

There is one part that is convincing me more and more that he wasn't concussed.  When he first hit the ground, he is pounding his feet up and down like he was in pain.  Concussed people aren't moving their legs like that.

[Pecos Bills]

A wise man once said, if the only tool you have is a sports concussion 501(c)(3), it is tempting to treat everything as if it were a concussion.  Or something like that.

 

[K-9]

20 minutes ago, T.E. said:

The Concussion Legacy Foundation finds it in every single former player they test for it, too. Raises a lot of questions. Sampling bias? Do they ever test the brains of people who didn't play contact/combat sports professionally? Does everyone possibly have this, to some degree?

A quote from their own website:

 

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Although we cannot yet accurately diagnose CTE in living people, a specialist can help treat the symptoms presenting the most challenges. Those struggling with suspected CTE are not the only ones who need support. View tools and resources for CTE caregivers.

 

I guess as long as they don’t have to actually be accurate about it, then I guess they can diagnose the condition in any living person presenting any kind of symptoms consistent with those found in dead people after their brains have been dissected and CTE definitively diagnosed. 

[dorquemada]

1 hour ago, Success said:

I thought he said on the sideline that it was his chest & not his head?

 

 

I don't want JA put at risk in any way and agree that I'm okay w/ what they're doing here.

 

But what do you mean by making peace w/ this season?  We lost 2, so we are out of the running now?

 

 

It's not that they lost 2 in a row, though that's certainly a consideration, it's that they looked flat as hell, slow, disinterested, and poorly coached.  Like I said in another thread, it's like the Jags were their superbowl and now they're checked out.  The Jets game will be telling.  If the Bills come out with their 1960s style offense, and do their 3 and out dance for the first several drives, it's safe to say that the last 2 games are more representative of who they actually are than the first 3.  They're not going to get to play Arizona and the Jags in the playoffs, and right now this team looks woefully overmatched vs KC.

 

But hey, we'll get lots of clapping on the sidelines, maybe some entertaining nuggets from the locker room or off field as the wheels come off.  It sure would suck if Diggs wasn't the cancer we've all been told he was, but it was someone else still on the team.