Jets Fire Saleh

[Mr. WEO]

18 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

It was brought up as a real possibility on WFAN. Coaches and players are allowed to display flags of their heritage. But the current situation and the date it was displayed indicated it could have been a point of contention. They also couldn’t figure out why he was escorted out and not allowed to speak to players and the GM was not even informed. They surmised it may not have been football related especially because they are only 5 games in and playing for 1st place in the division on Monday. 
 

something else brought up is that Saleh may have wanted to fire Hackett, and Aaron was consulted and said no and there was some sort of power struggle that led to his firing. 

 

he's just a terrible HC.  simple as that.  Woody figured it was now or never with what's left of decrepit Rodgers. 

 

Watching that first half of the Vikings game, no one should wonder why Saleh was fired.  They were sloppy and poorly prepared. 

 

 

A 3-2 team battling with a 2-3 team to possibly be 3-3 after week 6 atop a crappy division is not a reason to keep a proven bad HC. 

[SoTier]

On 10/9/2024 at 8:00 AM, Mister Defense said:

So hard to believe that a team led by rodgers at QB, head coach, and GM is so obviously a dumpster fire this early in the season, isn't it?

 

Goes back to what I said again and again and again since the jets brought him in.  No reason to ever be concerned about the rodgers 'led' jets, and laughed out loud at so many predicting fantastic success for the jets now..

 

Four sacks for the Bills this week?  2-3 interceptions?

 

 

 

People seem to forget that Rodgers wasn't very good in his last season in GB compared to the rest of his career.

 

In 2022, Rodgers threw for less than 3700 yards in 17 games with his lowest completion percentage since 2015.  His 12 INTs were his highest since his first year as a starter in 2008, and his 2.2% of INTs thrown was his highest for a full season since 2010.  The Packers finished 8-9 in 2022 after going 13-3 in the previous 3 seasons.  

 

In the previous 2 seasons, 2020 and 2021, Rodgers led the NFL in both the percentage of TDs and INTs thrown.   In fact, he threw for the lowest  INTs percentage in the NFL while also throwing for 4000+ yards from 2018 through 2021.  In 2020 he threw 48 TDs and 5 INTs.  In 2021, Rodgers through 37 TDs and 4 INTs.  Rodgers led the Packers to 3 straight 13-3 seasons between 2019-2021. 

 

Rodgers in 2024 seems to be playing at less than his 2022 level.   Win or lose against the Bills, I think the Jests have screwed up again.

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

 

Yes, this is Ai. But hysterical.

[Gregg]

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

57 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

In all fairness and with all due respect, can we really believe anything this attention-mongerer says at this point? 

[ColoradoBills]

I think this might be accurate.  I got a laugh out of it too.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

Nate Hackett stripped of play calling duties.  He's gonna be gone after the MNF loss to Bills.

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

Nate Hackett stripped of play calling duties.  He's gonna be gone after the MNF loss to Bills.

He’s an OC that doesn’t call plays so he’ll basically get paid to sit in meetings and joke with Rodgers

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

he's just a terrible HC.  simple as that.  Woody figured it was now or never with what's left of decrepit Rodgers. 

 

Watching that first half of the Vikings game, no one should wonder why Saleh was fired.  They were sloppy and poorly prepared. 

 

 

A 3-2 team battling with a 2-3 team to possibly be 3-3 after week 6 atop a crappy division is not a reason to keep a proven bad HC. 

I can see it, but on the flip side it’s almost impossible to know that the alternative is going to be better and they’re basically back to square 1 once Rodgers retires in 1-2 years.  I would’ve rolled with Saleh for this year at least personally, mostly because you’re dumping a bunch of extra responsibility on top of ulbricht who was doing his thing well.

 

 

 

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

Nate Hackett stripped of play calling duties.  He's gonna be gone after the MNF loss to Bills.

 

 

It's worse than that.   Ulbrich said about Downing: he will have "the full say on the game plan and, ultimately, the plays that are called within the game." 

 

If Hackett isn't calling plays and isn't in charge of the game plan, he's really not the OC anymore.  

 

Ulrich is doing what Saleh supposedly wanted to do.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

 

It's worse than that.   Ulbrich said about Downing: he will have "the full say on the game plan and, ultimately, the plays that are called within the game." 

 

If Hackett isn't calling plays and isn't in charge of the game plan, he's really not the OC anymore.  

 

Ulrich is doing what Saleh supposedly wanted to do.  

I was poking around the nfl reddit and fans with familiarity with downing at OC seem to think he is even worse than Hackett 🤣. He had a short stint at OC for the titans and the raiders a few years before that.  Hardly ever held on to a multi year OC gig in a 20 year career that’s a bit of a red flag 

[hondo in seattle]

6 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I was poking around the nfl reddit and fans with familiarity with downing at OC seem to think he is even worse than Hackett 🤣. He had a short stint at OC for the titans and the raiders a few years before that.  Hardly ever held on to a multi year OC gig in a 20 year career that’s a bit of a red flag 

 

Yep.

 

With Downing's reputation being what it is, I wondered why Ulbrich is giving him the keys to the offense.  Does he believe Downing will be better than Hackett?  Is he making a change just to make a change?   Or is he trying to minimize Rodger's influence by removing authority from Rodger's buddy?  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

18 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Yep.

 

With Downing's reputation being what it is, I wondered why Ulbrich is giving him the keys to the offense.  Does he believe Downing will be better than Hackett?  Is he making a change just to make a change?   Or is he trying to minimize Rodger's influence by removing authority from Rodger's buddy?  

I think they were facing a full on mutiny from players probably thinking ‘yea Saleh isn’t successful but how did this firing fix anything.  Were still in this and you quit on us’ so they pretty much had to do something 

 

may or may not involve rodgers.  When woody and Aaron are involved really anything is possible haha woody might’ve just woken up in a bad mood…I heard some people saying that woody had friends at that London game and called it a must win 

[Mr. WEO]

53 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I can see it, but on the flip side it’s almost impossible to know that the alternative is going to be better and they’re basically back to square 1 once Rodgers retires in 1-2 years.  I would’ve rolled with Saleh for this year at least personally, mostly because you’re dumping a bunch of extra responsibility on top of ulbricht who was doing his thing well.

 

 

 

There’s no chance Saleh was capable of getting this roster to win a playoff game.  Why waste Rodgers’s final year to prove that? 
 

clearly, Johnson had seen 4 years of this and concluded Ulnricht couldn’t be worse.

 

notice his first move as HC was to bench Hackett—also putting Rodgers on notice.  
 

it’s a win already 

50 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

 

It's worse than that.   Ulbrich said about Downing: he will have "the full say on the game plan and, ultimately, the plays that are called within the game." 

 

If Hackett isn't calling plays and isn't in charge of the game plan, he's really not the OC anymore.  

 

Ulrich is doing what Saleh supposedly wanted to do.  

well Saleh couldn’t do it.  He was always in way over his head as HC.  It was grossly evident every game.   

[Captain Hindsight]

59 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

 

It's worse than that.   Ulbrich said about Downing: he will have "the full say on the game plan and, ultimately, the plays that are called within the game." 

 

If Hackett isn't calling plays and isn't in charge of the game plan, he's really not the OC anymore.  

 

Ulrich is doing what Saleh supposedly wanted to do.  

Hackett in his performance review 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

There’s no chance Saleh was capable of getting this roster to win a playoff game.  Why waste Rodgers’s final year to prove that? 
 

clearly, Johnson had seen 4 years of this and concluded Ulnricht couldn’t be worse.

 

notice his first move as HC was to bench Hackett—also putting Rodgers on notice.  
 

it’s a win already 

well Saleh couldn’t do it.  He was always in way over his head as HC.  It was grossly evident every game.   

I think if ulbricht was head coach and had a competent DC in there  it couldn’t be worse than Saleh, but now that he has head coaching responsibilities on top of his normal job things absolutely could get worse.  They took the one guy doing his job and filled his plate with other stuff and replaced a terrible play caller with a terrible play caller. 
 

I mean we’ll see for sure…but I think they just torpedoed any possible chance of Rodgers doing anything in probably 50% of his remaining seasons 

 

also I doubt the players took it super well 

I get that it was a long shot that Saleh does anything meaningful this year but they went from long shot to no shot imo.

 

 

 

Edited October 10 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

 

Yes, this is Ai. But hysterical.

🤔

But he's (well, it's) right, you know...

😁

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[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I think if ulbricht was head coach and had a competent DC in there  it couldn’t be worse than Saleh, but now that he has head coaching responsibilities on top of his normal job things absolutely could get worse.  They took the one guy doing his job and filled his plate with other stuff and replaced a terrible play caller with a terrible play caller. 
 

I mean we’ll see for sure…but I think they just torpedoed any possible chance of Rodgers doing anything in probably 50% of his remaining seasons 

 

also I doubt the players took it super well 

I get that it was a long shot that Saleh does anything meaningful this year but they went from long shot to no shot imo.

 

 

 

how does firing an incompetent HC and benching an awful OC “torpedo” Rodgers?? May the new guy won’t have him dropping back 55 times.  That will help Rodgers survive the season.

 

the players were not happy, especially the Defense.  They were vocal after the Vikings loss that leadership (Saleh) was not holding the Offense accountable for being awful, while the D is bringing it

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

47 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

how does firing an incompetent HC and benching an awful OC “torpedo” Rodgers?? May the new guy won’t have him dropping back 55 times.  That will help Rodgers survive the season.

 

the players were not happy, especially the Defense.  They were vocal after the Vikings loss that leadership (Saleh) was not holding the Offense accountable for being awful, while the D is bringing it

That’s not really what I said,  dumping more on the coach that is the only one doing his job and pulling his focus away could make the team worse and making a change that could very much make the team worse in the short term when you have aaron rodgers in the twilight of his career doesn’t make sense to me.

 

you don’t see it that way and that’s totally cool too.  We’ll have to wait and see how it plays out 

Yea of course the defense wasn’t happy that’s exactly what I’m saying lol. They wanted the offense to pull its weight so canning the defensive head coach a lot of them seem to really like probably had them very confused especially if he was going to do this same offensive playcalling move that ulbricht just did.  Sauce was quoted as saying ‘If I’m being honest we’re doing this for him[Saleh] still…he changed my life’ so I don’t really believe this notion that everyone’s happy to see him go 

 

Edited October 10 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Mr. WEO]

33 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

That’s not really what I said,  dumping more on the coach that is the only one doing his job and pulling his focus away could make the team worse and making a change that could very much make the team worse in the short term when you have aaron rodgers in the twilight of his career doesn’t make sense to me.

 

you don’t see it that way and that’s totally cool too.  We’ll have to wait and see how it plays out 

Yea of course the defense wasn’t happy that’s exactly what I’m saying lol. They wanted the offense to pull its weight so canning the defensive head coach a lot of them seem to really like probably had them very confused especially if he was going to do this same offensive playcalling move that ulbricht just did.  Sauce was quoted as saying ‘If I’m being honest we’re doing this for him[Saleh] still…he changed my life’ so I don’t really believe this notion that everyone’s happy to see him go 

 

 

after watching the last to losses (plus his record of game day management the previous 3 seasons), how could getting rid of him make the team "worse"?  that's the part I don't understand.  does anyone really believe that this is a double digit win team heading to the playoffs after those 2 awful showings the past 2 weeks?  How?

 

Also, before he was fired, this was the sentiment on Defense:

 

Quincy Williams to SNY: “I'm going to be honest, people get tired of hearing the same s--t. People gotta start taking accountability. People get tired of hearing the same thing every week. That's all I got to say."

 

That's what got him fired.  He lost the locker room.