Jets Fire Saleh

[Captain Hindsight]

7 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Was Gruden fired or did he resign?

Yes?

 

He was pushed out by the NFL and "resigned"

[Dukestreetking]

19 hours ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

And I’m sure this has nothing to do with him wearing a Lebanese flag patch this past weekend, due to his Lebanese heritage…

Non- tendentious question as possible: is this sarcasm or a real, passive aggressive statement?

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Dukestreetking said:

Non- tendentious question as possible: is this sarcasm or a real, passive aggressive statement?

It was brought up as a real possibility on WFAN. Coaches and players are allowed to display flags of their heritage. But the current situation and the date it was displayed indicated it could have been a point of contention. They also couldn’t figure out why he was escorted out and not allowed to speak to players and the GM was not even informed. They surmised it may not have been football related especially because they are only 5 games in and playing for 1st place in the division on Monday. 
 

something else brought up is that Saleh may have wanted to fire Hackett, and Aaron was consulted and said no and there was some sort of power struggle that led to his firing. 

Edited October 9 by YoloinOhio

[Drew21PA]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

It was brought up as a real possibility on WFAN. Coaches and players are allowed to display flags of their heritage. But the current situation and the date it was displayed indicated it could have been a point of contention. They also couldn’t figure out why he was escorted out and not allowed to speak to players and the GM was not even informed. They surmised it may not have been football related especially because they are only 5 games in and playing for 1st place in the division on Monday. 
 

something else brought up is that Saleh may have wanted to fire Hackett, and Aaron was consulted and said no and there was some sort of power struggle that led to his firing. 

I can see the latter for sure

 

aaron wants Hackett - selah had enough

 

nope we side with Aaron 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

It was brought up as a real possibility on WFAN. Coaches and players are allowed to display flags of their heritage. But the current situation and the date it was displayed indicated it could have been a point of contention. They also couldn’t figure out why he was escorted out and not allowed to speak to players and the GM was not even informed. They surmised it may not have been football related especially because they are only 5 games in and playing for 1st place in the division on Monday. 
 

something else brought up is that Saleh may have wanted to fire Hackett, and Aaron was consulted and said no and there was some sort of power struggle that led to his firing. 

I think he’s been wearing that patch for a long time…sincerely doubt that’s it.  But it’s getting reported woody met with Aaron the day before, then tuesday morning Saleh had a meeting where he told some coaches he was going to take playcalling duties away from Hackett, then 20 minutes later he’s fired.  So it’s feelin like he got fired for trying to phase out Hackett.

it could be that Rodgers maybe thought Todd downing was terrible or he just really loves Hackett that much, or maybe Rodgers wasn’t involved at all.  But the firing is seeming to revolve around Hackett  

from fans of some other teams that have employed downing apparently he may be even worse 🤣

Edited October 9 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[WotAGuy]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

It was brought up as a real possibility on WFAN. Coaches and players are allowed to display flags of their heritage. But the current situation and the date it was displayed indicated it could have been a point of contention.

Wait until A-A-Ron comes out with the Hezbollah patch on Monday night. 

[Sharky7337]

6 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Wait until A-A-Ron comes out with the Hezbollah patch on Monday night. 

Always struck me as more of a Taliban type of guy. Hed have a blast in those poppy fields

[Mister Defense]

8 hours ago, mannc said:

If the Jets win Monday night (hardly a stretch with the way the Bills are playing) they will be in first place in the AFCE…hardly dumpster fire territory.  This firing—at this point in the season—is very surprising. There has to something major going on behind the scene.

 

You don't think the jets, 2-3, head coach fired 5 games into the season, offensive offensive coordinator still around,  with an aging megalomaniac head case QB, with clearly significantly diminished skills, both mentally and physically, and in control of the team is a dumpster fire of a team?  I strongly disagree!

 

I am assuming you are one of the ones predicting significant success for that team in the preseason?

 

[mannc]

Just now, Mister Defense said:

 

You don't think the jets, 2-3, head coach fired 5 games into the season, offensive offensive coordinator still around,  with an aging megalomaniac head case QB, with clearly significantly diminished skills, both mentally and physically, and in control of the team is a dumpster fire of a team?  I strongly disagree!

 

I am assuming you are one of the ones predicting significant success for that team in the preseason?

 

No, I predicted that the Rodgers experiment would go badly again this year.  My point is that with a win on Monday, the Jets’ predicament looks a lot less disastrous.  Not sure how you can argue with that.

[DCofNC]

On 10/8/2024 at 1:16 PM, MJS said:

I'm not sure what you mean with his contract. There is a potential out in 2025, but you take on $15.7 million in dead cap or $7.85 million in 2026. But his cap hit is over $44 million in 2025 and 2026. You'd have to extend him and majorly restructure everything, and he is already 31 years old. Seems like a bad contract situation to me.

I disagree. But whatever. We'll see how it goes.

Those “outs” are for the original team, all the signing bonus stuff hits their cap, not the team he goes to.

[Mister Defense]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

No, I predicted that the Rodgers experiment would go badly again this year.  My point is that with a win on Monday, the Jets’ predicament looks a lot less disastrous.  Not sure how you can argue with that.

 

For the summary I said in the posts above, and all posts in the past.

 

ar is a mess of a leader, with significantly diminished skills,  and an obvious headcase, but clearly making one major decision after another for the jets, thinks he has them over a barrel.

 

I cannot envision what you are saying, and have said that since he has been there--no way the jets with rodgers are a legitimate threat in the NFL.  Obviously they may beat the Bills this Monday, though I don't think that will happen, especially after this, but that will not change my mind. Or this reality I point to.

 

 

 

 

[CoudyBills]

7 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

For the summary I said in the posts above, and all posts in the past.

 

ar is a mess of a leader, with significantly diminished skills,  and an obvious headcase, but clearly making one major decision after another for the jets, thinks he has them over a barrel.

 

I cannot envision what you are saying, and have said that since he has been there--no way the jets with rodgers are a legitimate threat in the NFL.  Obviously they may beat the Bills this Monday, though I don't think that will happen, especially after this, but that will not change my mind. Or this reality I point to.

 

 

 

 

You're precious 

[MJS]

26 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Those “outs” are for the original team, all the signing bonus stuff hits their cap, not the team he goes to.

He still has a very high base salary in 2025 and 2026.

[Mister Defense]

Checks this out, from CNN.  The only people who would believe his clearly, comically obviously convoluted lying are the same people who believe the hurricanes over the last few weeks were created for political reasons:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/09/sport/aaron-rodgers-rumors-new-york-jets-coach-spt-intl/index.html

 

Me thinks he protests too much!  Sounds like his strange, obvious convoluted lying about getting the COVID vaccine..

 

Love these tidbits, especially:

 

1.  “As far as any of the ridiculous allegations out there, I’m not gonna spend more than one sentence in response to it and that is that I resent any of those accusations because they are patently false,” Rodgers told McAfee.

 

(And then he went on and on and on about it...)

 

2. "  “I love Coach Saleh...had a nice conversation when they came and visited (the Green Bay Packers) for joint practices."

 

(The conversation took place in 2021! So the only specific positive thing he said about his actual relationship with Saleh--took place over three years ago...)

 

3. 

“I did talk to Woody. Woody called me on Monday night. We had a short conversation. I appreciated the call. It was a genuine call and he just asked me how I was doing.”

Rodgers said Johnson phoned to ask about the quarterback’s banged-up ankle from Sunday’s game against the Minnesota Vikings. Rodgers professed to the Jets owner that he was disappointed in his performance versus the Vikings and that the pair discussed how the team could turn the season around. (Emphasis is mine at the end..)

 

 

Liar liar pants on fire, he's in love with Billy Squire--clearly!

 

Lies like a little kid lying, digging one ludicrous hole after another for himself.

 

The Bills, clearly rebuilding, may simply win this division by default this year...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 10 by Mister Defense

[DCofNC]

27 minutes ago, MJS said:

He still has a very high base salary in 2025 and 2026.

Yes, but as of now, those aren’t guaranteed so you have options to make it whatever you want to bc he’s going to want guaranteed money.   He’s one of the best in the game, it won’t be cheap, but it doesn’t mean it has to be a massive cap hit.

[4merper4mer]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

It was brought up as a real possibility on WFAN. Coaches and players are allowed to display flags of their heritage. But the current situation and the date it was displayed indicated it could have been a point of contention. They also couldn’t figure out why he was escorted out and not allowed to speak to players and the GM was not even informed. They surmised it may not have been football related especially because they are only 5 games in and playing for 1st place in the division on Monday. 
 

something else brought up is that Saleh may have wanted to fire Hackett, and Aaron was consulted and said no and there was some sort of power struggle that led to his firing. 

Lol it was brought up on WFAN.  Shirley you can’t be serious.  Was it brought up by an idiot caller, an idiot host, or an idiot producer?

[Captain Hindsight]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

It was brought up as a real possibility on WFAN. Coaches and players are allowed to display flags of their heritage. But the current situation and the date it was displayed indicated it could have been a point of contention. They also couldn’t figure out why he was escorted out and not allowed to speak to players and the GM was not even informed. They surmised it may not have been football related especially because they are only 5 games in and playing for 1st place in the division on Monday. 
 

something else brought up is that Saleh may have wanted to fire Hackett, and Aaron was consulted and said no and there was some sort of power struggle that led to his firing. 

Salah was not fired over a flag. He was fired because his team was undisciplined, under performing, and he wanted to fire golden boy’s favorite friend. This is 100% what happened and it’s why Ulbrich will ultimately choose to have Hackett keep making play calls. Can’t piss of the franchise!

[Richard Noggin]

5 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Always struck me as more of a Taliban type of guy. Hed have a blast in those poppy fields

 

5 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

Wait until A-A-Ron comes out with the Hezbollah patch on Monday night. 

 

Rodgers is IDF all the way. No doubt. Which would contribute to his antagonistic relationship with his now former HC, who might obviously have a different worldview. 

 

Woody Johnson and his QB are no doubt aligned in ways that go beyond their professional/organizational relationship. Saleh's VERY close relationship with Rodgers' former HC in Green Bay (LaFleur), who dared to not repeatedly kiss the QB's single SB ring, probably factors into this. Petty interpersonal nonsense.  

 

This includes valuing Rodgers as de facto GM with respect to offensive coaching and play calling structure. How else could Hackett persist? 

 

Seems to me like Saleh mostly takes heat for being previously strapped to Zach Wilson, who he stuck with at times and went away from at times, and who eventually quit on him and the org. The defensive roster has definitely expressed major frustrations internally for several years over Wilson's starting status. Feels like double-dealing by the owner and GM, who dictated certain circumstances but escaped the resulting criticism. 

 

Would personally LOVE Saleh as DC on a Ben Johnson staff in 2025. (Not sure we could hand him so many 1st rounders to fill his defense, but reasonably confident he's a high end defensive coach.)

 

**Babich might also be an excellent defensive coach, once we have more of a record to evaluate. To be fair. He's demonstrably already a proven developer of defensive talent (LBs and DBs have taken LEAPS under his coaching).  

[LeviF]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

It was brought up as a real possibility on WFAN. Coaches and players are allowed to display flags of their heritage. But the current situation and the date it was displayed indicated it could have been a point of contention. They also couldn’t figure out why he was escorted out and not allowed to speak to players and the GM was not even informed. They surmised it may not have been football related especially because they are only 5 games in and playing for 1st place in the division on Monday. 

Counterpoint:

 

 

[Jauronimo]

Woody Johnson just found out Saleh isn't one of them eye-talians.