L Ron Burgundy Posted October 10 Posted October 10 I'm not sure how things look outside where Im staying. I am going to make an educated guess that storm surge was less a problem than rain compared to Helene. Got around a foot of rain within 6 hours near Tampa. Crazy. 1
Starr-Bills Posted October 10 Posted October 10 14 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You would have to address Irv 'parsing' his words--I generally follow what he says. As for foreign aid, you believe what you want. I'm not against providing aid and assistance to other countries, but those dollars are measured in billions, and billions would go a long way toward people in need here. To feign outrage that people would complain about assistance locally, and costs globally, seems pretty lame. It happens every time. Change the president, people complain, they just identify with another political party. Believe what you want doesn’t cut it. Less than 1% of the trillion dollar plus budget is foreign aid. Foreign aid isn’t why there isn’t enough money for fema it the GOP congress they control the purse strings. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 10 Posted October 10 1 hour ago, Starr-Bills said: Believe what you want doesn’t cut it. Less than 1% of the trillion dollar plus budget is foreign aid. Foreign aid isn’t why there isn’t enough money for fema it the GOP congress they control the purse strings. You said this yesterday, but thank you for making extra sure you were heard. 1
Roundybout Posted October 10 Author Posted October 10 5 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said: I'm not sure how things look outside where Im staying. I am going to make an educated guess that storm surge was less a problem than rain compared to Helene. Got around a foot of rain within 6 hours near Tampa. Crazy. 1,000-year rain I believe. Like a monsoon. 1
Roundybout Posted October 10 Author Posted October 10 Just now, Tiberius said: This is an improvement, actually 1 1 3
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 10 Posted October 10 1 hour ago, Starr-Bills said: Believe what you want doesn’t cut it. Less than 1% of the trillion dollar plus budget is foreign aid. Foreign aid isn’t why there isn’t enough money for fema it the GOP congress they control the purse strings. You are a politicians best friend, if they call it something different they can keep sending money to other countries and you will support it
SCBills Posted October 10 Posted October 10 5 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said: People on your team are claiming the hurricane was sent by the deep state. But this is a problem? Lol. Sure. And this is the game… MTG says something dumb. So now Dems pretend every criticism of the administration is on par with something MTG said. It’s intentional manipulation of low information people in an effort to absolve themselves of justifiable criticism. And those like you throat it right up. 2 1
TH3 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 13 minutes ago, SCBills said: And this is the game… MTG says something dumb. So now Dems pretend every criticism of the administration is on par with something MTG said. It’s intentional manipulation of low information people in an effort to absolve themselves of justifiable criticism. And those like you throat it right up. Your leader says pretty much nothing but dumb and incindiary stuff every day. 1 2
nedboy7 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 39 minutes ago, SCBills said: And this is the game… MTG says something dumb. So now Dems pretend every criticism of the administration is on par with something MTG said. It’s intentional manipulation of low information people in an effort to absolve themselves of justifiable criticism. And those like you throat it right up. She was probably joking. The classic GOP back track. The Jews sure messed that storm up. Not enough manipulation and destruction. When you have actual trumper friends tell me the storm is manipulated I start to sense we’re heading into the dark ages.
Roundybout Posted October 10 Author Posted October 10 1 hour ago, SCBills said: And this is the game… MTG says something dumb. So now Dems pretend every criticism of the administration is on par with something MTG said. It’s intentional manipulation of low information people in an effort to absolve themselves of justifiable criticism. And those like you throat it right up. I mean… 1 1
Starr-Bills Posted October 10 Posted October 10 1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said: You are a politicians best friend, if they call it something different they can keep sending money to other countries and you will support it Huh? Stating a fact makes me a political shill? What you are even saying doesn't make sense. This isolations mindset is stupid. Why does the US have the most powerful navy? to keep people from invading? NO. To keep shipping lanes open. To keep markets open. The real issue is the Neocon operation to ship manufacturing / production jobs over seas. So now we are protecting shipping for china to the US but he the GOP impeached Clinton to get him to weaken him and get him to agree to NAFTA. The GOP congress could authorize more money for FEMA if they wanted. They choose to wait till after the election (per the speaker). They could have passed legislation 8 months ago to address boarder issues. They choose not to.
BillsFanNC Posted October 10 Posted October 10 AOC the expert climatologist bartender gets wrecked by actual science. Hi there, @AOC. 👋 You seem to like science. So, I figured I would give ya an education about this topic. 📚 I took the liberty to plot the Gulf of Mexico (GoM) sea surface temperature anomaly (SSTA) for June-August (JJA) for the period 1900 to 2023. The base period used for this analysis is 1991-2020 and JJA was used because that is what the SSTs are to work with in the GoM going into North Atlantic peak hurricane season (August-October) and SSTs are slow to change due to water's high heat capacity. 🌡️ I'll drop the link to the KNMI Climate Explorer for you to reproduce this chart at your own will. Give that a lil' click-sy and knock yourself out. 🫳 🔗climexp.knmi.nl/start.cgi (the bounding box I used was 20-30°N, 80-100°W) The diamonds overlain represent instances when a major hurricane (i.e., a tropical cyclone with maximum sustained wind speeds of ≥111 mph according to the Saffir-Simpson hurricane wind scale) formed in the GoM. Some years have more than major hurricane in the Gulf, so they're represented by one dot. A total of 75 hurricanes have either formed or tracked through the GoM since 1900.* Of those 75, 40 (53.3%) formed with SSTAs 𝒃𝒆𝒍𝒐𝒘 the 1991-2020 mean. That's more than half of the subset. * 𝑁𝑜𝑡𝑒, 𝐼 𝑒𝑥𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑑𝑒𝑑 𝐻𝑢𝑟𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑒𝑠 𝐴𝑢𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑦 (1957) 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝐴𝑙𝑚𝑎 (1966) 𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛 𝐽𝑢𝑛𝑒. What we can conclude from this analysis is that the formation of major hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico is not contingent on warming SSTs. The Gulf gets warm enough every year to sustain a major hurricane, even of category four or five status. So, higher SSTs aren't going to add much additional effect, especially if you consider the fact tropical cyclone kinematics require far more environmental parameters to be favorable in order for a major hurricane to form (e.g., pre-existing disturbance, low deep-layer [200-850 hPa] vertical wind shear and no dry air / Saharan dust). You are oversimplifying a very complex issue that you have little understanding about. You may have been a good bartender, but you make a poor atmospheric scientist. 👎
The Frankish Reich Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Maybe we need to think about not encouraging people to build/rebuild in areas prone to hurricane damage? 1
Roundybout Posted October 10 Author Posted October 10 6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Maybe we need to think about not encouraging people to build/rebuild in areas prone to hurricane damage? We’re going to have a reckoning VERY soon as no insurance company is going to touch any properties in these areas.
The Frankish Reich Posted October 10 Posted October 10 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: We’re going to have a reckoning VERY soon as no insurance company is going to touch any properties in these areas. From economist Tyler Cowen at marginalrevolution.com on socialized risk and bad incentives. Note that "socialized" means "government takes on the risk of hurricane damage," which is exactly what happens in Florida. Commies ... First, whenever possible it is better to use private insurance, such as homeowner’s insurance and flood insurance, to protect against loss. One of the functions of insurance is to make losers at least partially whole after the fact, but another is to make risky decisions too expensive to contemplate in the first place. This second function of insurance is especially important for Florida. The state is vulnerable to storms, so market prices for insurance should be allowed to adjust to higher levels, most of all for vulnerable properties. High prices in an area are a sign that building and renovation should not take place there. With fewer people living in vulnerable areas, the cost of storms will fall accordingly. That sounds harsh, but “incentives matter” is the first and primary principle of economics, and sometimes incentives should be allowed to operate. Unfortunately, Florida has a state-run insurer of last resort which continues to bail out homeowners. Political debates tend to frame this issue as whether to help poor, struggling homeowners. And indeed they may well suffer some terrifying losses because of storms. But whatever you think of such bailouts after the fact, with better incentives ahead of time, that issue will come up less often.
SCBills Posted October 10 Posted October 10 (edited) So.. this was a typical hurricane. Not the apocalyptic storm we were warned of all week. Due to going overkill in response to the poor response with Helene, we’re now going to have people reference Milton next time a potentially horrific hurricane sets its sights on Florida & use it as justification to ride it out. 20 minutes ago, Roundybout said: We’re going to have a reckoning VERY soon as no insurance company is going to touch any properties in these areas. Sure they will.. as long as the state/insurance commissioner lets them raise rates. When they don’t, that’s when large insurers pull out of areas and/or hold moratoriums on new business. Helene was the largest storm, in terms of scope, that any insurance company has seen in recent memory. Milton is the type of hurricane that’s already factored in. Any insurance company knows a Cat 3 can hit a coastal state in the Southeast at some point during the the hurricane season and they price accordingly. The major insurance rate jump we’ve seen in recent years is far more due to inflationary pressure than it is storm damage. Edited October 10 by SCBills 1 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 10 Posted October 10 19 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: From economist Tyler Cowen at marginalrevolution.com on socialized risk and bad incentives. Note that "socialized" means "government takes on the risk of hurricane damage," which is exactly what happens in Florida. Commies ... First, whenever possible it is better to use private insurance, such as homeowner’s insurance and flood insurance, to protect against loss. One of the functions of insurance is to make losers at least partially whole after the fact, but another is to make risky decisions too expensive to contemplate in the first place. This second function of insurance is especially important for Florida. The state is vulnerable to storms, so market prices for insurance should be allowed to adjust to higher levels, most of all for vulnerable properties. High prices in an area are a sign that building and renovation should not take place there. With fewer people living in vulnerable areas, the cost of storms will fall accordingly. That sounds harsh, but “incentives matter” is the first and primary principle of economics, and sometimes incentives should be allowed to operate. Unfortunately, Florida has a state-run insurer of last resort which continues to bail out homeowners. Political debates tend to frame this issue as whether to help poor, struggling homeowners. And indeed they may well suffer some terrifying losses because of storms. But whatever you think of such bailouts after the fact, with better incentives ahead of time, that issue will come up less often. But much of the loss in Florida is insured by federal flood insurance as it is elsewhere. Maybe the 2025 agenda on this issue is a good one. Get rid of it. Let high risk areas foot their own bill or move. And yes, it is socialism that disproportionately benefits red areas. Recurring theme…
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 10 Posted October 10 17 minutes ago, SCBills said: The major insurance rate jump we’ve seen in recent years is far more due to inflationary pressure than it is storm damage. Bs. https://insurancenewsnet.com/oarticle/florida-is-worst-and-first-in-what-climate-change-is-doing-to-property-insurance-rates-faces-a-property-value-crash I have no desire to subsidize insurance for climate deniers in Fla. you’re more than welcome to
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