Josh Allen Performance Yesterday..a Redux

[ALLinALLEN]

I'm about 1 quarter into the All-22 and I think the problems are MOSTLY two fold: 1.) Allen refuses to take the underneath route - and opts down field WAY too much 2.) Joe Brady called a horrendous game.

 

Can give specific examples if anyone cares....but it's worth the watch imo.

[3rdand12]

8 hours ago, Brand J said:

Maybe Josh started the game already concussed from the hit he took a couple seasons ago in Green Bay? In all seriousness, I don’t know what it is, but he always comes out every September and lights it up, followed by a half a season of malaise, culminating in everything coming together once the playoffs are in picture. It’s the same pattern every year since he became a starter. What does it mean? Why is his focus gone? Why are we chalking up mind numbing play to concussions, or constantly making excuses for why his trajectory trends in a U shape? Why can’t he be an efficient robot like Tom Brady? 😂

He's an Enigma. Thats a big for sure good buddy

[colin]

3 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

I'm about 1 quarter into the All-22 and I think the problems are MOSTLY two fold: 1.) Allen refuses to take the underneath route - and opts down field WAY too much 2.) Joe Brady called a horrendous game.

 

Can give specific examples if anyone cares....but it's worth the watch imo.

I care!

[3rdand12]

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I sat up top and watched every route that he ran. Watch the all 22, with an open mind, and come back with a review of his game. It’s incredible. 
 

I am sorry that you believed in that scrub and that room in general. My bias was just a sad reality. I thought that the guy was horrendous and it turns out he’s worse than I could have imagined. I’m willing to wager whatever that Mack Hollins will never see 6 targets in a game again (barring injuries). He played himself out of the rotation yesterday. He has 12 targets over the last 2 weeks. He has 3 catches for 32 yards!! If you throw the ball towards Mack, plan on 2.67 yards.
 

To be clear, Josh was bad today. What everyone will see when they go back through the game, they just sent pressure and NO ONE was open. This was not a good game for Josh but there were multiple guys worse than him yesterday. 

Bills cant play that way. If they pressure  Someone has to be open if not two.

Brady seems to no have given Allens answers he could make use of.

 

But Kirby

 How can these pass catchers all not get open. I am sorry that i dont believe you.

Josh often wont take the checkdown and short stuff. or trust the first read and let the player go get it.

Those deep passes just are not there for Josh anymore. Gotta throw em yea. But He isnt hitting them.

 respectful discussion at ya

 

8 hours ago, Dan said:

The offense is starting to look like the offenses of Hacket with no creativity or rhythm and little situational awareness.   Top that with the majority of plays happening within 10yds of the LOS and defenses can just tee off. They have little fear of the 20-25yd crossing patterns.    How many times did they call the WR bubble screen thing.. it didn’t work.  No play action passes. Few designed rollouts .. Josh does this, but not by design.    
 

The offense is predictable and relies on short passes to the boundary or runs between the tackles.  Add in that we have no true “playmakers”… and it’s a recipe for failure.  
 

If Brady can’t adjust and figure it out.. the season is over in the WC round. 

It's now a concern. Playcalling vs execution. Both are of issue

7 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Im genuinely curious what some fans wanted Allen to do.

 

Escape an untouched rusher, roll to his right, and then throw to an absolutely blanketed receiver?

 

What was he supposed to do!? 

Roll to his left

Obviously

[ALLinALLEN]

4 minutes ago, colin said:

I care!

Well for starters Brady ran left inside run out of the same exact formation (slight variation on third) on the second drive. That was from first and goal from the 10 too...(Q1 second drive)

 

The OL also gave Josh no time in the first half....They literally run a PA bootleg right into an unblocked (and unaccounted for) DE. (Q1 forget when think 3rd drive)

 

The bubble pass to Samuel that infuriated me during the game actually wouldve worked but Josh airmailed it over his head due to the DE rushing in...Cook for a shorter quicker dump off prolly would have worked for at least 8-10 too...(Q2 first drive)

 

The 3rd and 9 in the first drive of the 2nd Q, Allen leaves the pocket to the left and throws across his body to Hollins and its just short...he couldve planted his feet to throw but again the line pressured him out of the pocket, but, he was open and pretty free.

 

They try another kinda motion bubble to samuel again the FIRST PLAY of the next drive, and it's a mess...If you continue to just use him exclusively like this (versus actual routes) then it's a pretty easy read from the d to follow...

 

We run a screen pass that wouldve worked (from the HOU 46) if we didnt have 3 OL blockers literally give up on blocking 1 person (yes, literally 1 guy got through 3).

 

Then the last drive before half for us, pressured into a bad throw from a free blitzing LB, pressured into another bad option to kincaid down the middle (while having MVS almost wide open on the left side...but again, pressured...and then pressured to a right rollout (literally nobody is open lol) and almost throws a pick (Q2 late).

 

End half.

 

I mean look I encourage anyone on the board that has a free hour and $15 a month to get NFL+ to look at it yourself. I don't claim to know everything about the NFL and schemes but I get alot. I think alot of the problems are stemming from the OL play right now, some situational playcalling, and the WR's lack of ability. 

 

FWIW as much as we hate on Hollins (he shouldnt be getting 6+ targets a game) he was the most consistently open guy from what I'm seeing. Is that usage? Should samuel be getting those routes instead? Do we need Shakir that much? Possibly....but it's certainly an interesting watch on the A22. And that's just the first half.

 

 

 

[Meatloaf63]

9 hours ago, Rich Stadium Original said:

A lot of criticism of Allen's performance on this board last night and today, some of it warranted, but I think most of it unjustified.

Do I think he played a great game?..of course not. There were a couple of throws that probably should have been picked off, and I think the underthrow to Kincaid down the seam is the one I hated most.

 

But according to ESPN stats last night, he was pressured on 45% of his dropbacks yesterday..completely the opposite of the 1st 3 games..many of them free blitzes. Put another way, he is forced to to get rid of the ball earlier than he may want ON NEARLY EVERY OTHER THROW. Couple that with receivers that were just not getting open and its a recipe for 9 for 31.  

 

Even when the protection was adequate, you could see Allen go through all his progressions finding no one open, and sensing imminent pocket collapse, roll to his right hoping SOMEONE would break open, but it never happened.

 

So where do I put the blame? Starts with the coaching. Many of the same blitzes the Ravens used last week, and still weren't prepared.  Bad recognition at the line calling the protections?  

 

I'm not sure what the expectation was for Allen under those conditions. Force the throw to blanketed receivers and risk more interceptions? Play hero ball and take off running more frequently? Texas did have a spy on him most of the game. Even when Allen recognized the pressure and went to his hot read, Coleman wasn't on the same page and the throw nearly bounced off his facemask.

 

I think a lot of this can be corrected, but I can tell you until they do, I've got a feeling what the Jets game plan is going to be next week.

If he wants to stop all those blitzes from happening, he needs to do better against it and make the pay. Right now defenses are winning that battle so it’s not going to stop so Brady and Allen need to figure this out before he ends up injured for the season.

[Alphadawg7]

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I sat up top and watched every route that he ran. Watch the all 22, with an open mind, and come back with a review of his game. It’s incredible. 
 

I am sorry that you believed in that scrub and that room in general. My bias was just a sad reality. I thought that the guy was horrendous and it turns out he’s worse than I could have imagined. I’m willing to wager whatever that Mack Hollins will never see 6 targets in a game again (barring injuries). He played himself out of the rotation yesterday. He has 12 targets over the last 2 weeks. He has 3 catches for 32 yards!! If you throw the ball towards Mack, plan on 2.67 yards.
 

To be clear, Josh was bad today. What everyone will see when they go back through the game, they just sent pressure and NO ONE was open. This was not a good game for Josh but there were multiple guys worse than him yesterday. 

Let’s be very clear what I said about Mack before you say things that I “believed in that scrub”.  
 

I stated all offseason and all season long…he’s at best a 5th or 6th target.  I said his value was in blocking more than anything.  I then gave his credit for how well he was affecting the game the first 3 weeks as just that, a blocker.  
 

Let’s not pretend I claimed he was or should be a starting WR.  I said he would have a role on the team, and I disputed he would be a starter.  
 

So please don’t start trying to twist my words, it’s well documented all over this forum.  And I didn’t say Mac wasn’t bad or had a good game…I said Allen was worse, and it’s not close as Allen touches the ball every play and had maybe his worst half football in his entire career and also helped seal our fate on the final series with awful decisions that were pretty clearly his.  
 

Go listen to Brady’s interview today, it was clear as day it was on Allen and said Allen thought he saw something and took those deep shots.  But as much as the interviewer pressed him to throw Allen under the bus Brady declined to comment further.  

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

9 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

In a lot of ways this is the conversation. Is the talent so bad, that regardless of how good or bad the plan is, it does not matter? That’s where I leaned when things were good and am further emblodened in that position now. Even if they wanted to “do something differently” they don’t have the guys to get it done. The pass catchers are next level bad. Josh is going to have extra pressure from here on out. 

No he wasn’t. Mack Hollins was WAY worse. Josh wasn’t good yesterday. Mack Hollins couldn’t have played for ECC yesterday.

They should let him play bare foot. Rex Ryan would’ve let him

[Simon]

53 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Allen refuses to take the underneath route - and opts down field WAY too much

 

After ripping defenses to pieces by doing that the first few weeks, how can he regress back to those deep to shallow reads that create more problems than solutions for him?

He's a really smart kid and I can't understand how he refuses to get this all the way through his head. Every time I think he finally gets it, he comes out a week later and starts chucking mortars while ignoring free lunches underneath. 

Defenses are not going to give him what he wants until he keeps consistently making them pay for giving him what they currently are.

[philholbroo]

Teams know McDermott s tendencies for game plan and being conservative and run clock when he's nervous about losing (vs big competition). So they can align defense play calling accordingly.

[seattlebillsfan]

Josh took vicious shots on the failed trick play in Baltimore and then yesterday on the play that sent him to the blue tent. He also has been playing since the end of the Cardinals game with a damaged left hand, how severe we don’t know. My concern is that we are simply seeing the natural result of a freak of nature getting the freak knocked out of him too frequently. If I were Pegula I would be asking some hard questions about the long term plan to maximize the effectiveness of the extraordinary Josh Allen for the next 10 years. And if I didn’t like the answer I would start making a plan to clean house. 

[Big Blitz]

Spy Allen in man.  
 

Confuse him up front with where pressure is coming from.  
 

No one is open.  
 

 

The script.  

 

 

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

After ripping defenses to pieces by doing that the first few weeks, how can he regress back to those deep to shallow reads that create more problems than solutions for him?

He's a really smart kid and I can't understand how he refuses to get this all the way through his head. Every time I think he finally gets it, he comes out a week later and starts chucking mortars while ignoring free lunches underneath. 

Defenses are not going to give him what he wants until he keeps consistently making them pay for giving him what they currently are.

texans were in a bunch of single high looks, cover1/cover3

 

intermediate and deep outside the numbers is theoretically how you're supposed to attack that

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, ALLinALLEN said:

The 3rd and 9 in the first drive of the 2nd Q, Allen leaves the pocket to the left and throws across his body to Hollins and its just short...he couldve planted his feet to throw but again the line pressured him out of the pocket, but, he was open and pretty free.

 

Allen is in scramble drill and Hollins just cluelessly keeps running in the opposite direction across the field. You want to know why Mahomes to Kelce is impossible to stop? Kelce just stands still in the wide open space and makes this an easy throw.

 

I mean c'mon Mack:

 

 

I'm not expecting him to be Kelce but there is so much space there to make himself an available target and instead he drifts away from his QB. Basic scramble drill rules tell you he needs to come back to the ball. I have no idea what he is thinking here.

 

This is why Shakir has actually become so valuable to the offense. Beyond his YAC skills, he has developed a knack for making himself an easy target for Allen. These other guys running routes haven't got a clue.

 

Edited October 8 by HappyDays

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Spy Allen in man.  
 

Confuse him up front with where pressure is coming from.  
 

No one is open.  
 

 

The script.  

 

 

Can someone explain to me how that particular play makes it into an NFL playbook? Look at it over and over again. What are those WR routes intended to do? Horrible play design. Looks like something you’d do in the backyard. ‘Everyone go out and turn around!’ 
 

Come on Joe Brady, you’ve gotta be kidding me! 

[ALLinALLEN]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Allen is in scramble drill and Hollins just cluelessly keeps running in the opposite direction across the field. You want to know why Mahomes to Kelce is impossible to stop? Kelce just stands still in the wide open space and makes this an easy throw.

 

I mean c'mon Mack:

 

 

I'm not expecting him to be Kelce but there is so much space there to make himself an available target and instead he drifts away from his QB. Basic scramble drill rules tell you he needs to come back to the ball. I have no idea what he is thinking here.

 

This is why Shakir has actually become so valuable to the offense. Beyond his YAC skills, he has developed a knack for making himself an easy target for Allen. These other guys running routes haven't got a clue.

 

Yep that’s the play I referenced. And yup I actually was thinking that while watching the All22. Not just that play but on many others, the WRs just keep running. Like you mentioned, just stop your route there. 
 

My hope? That they learn and adjust to Allen (especially with so many new faces). But, Kincaid does it too and that worries me they’ll never learn

[Simon]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Can someone explain to me how that particular play makes it into an NFL playbook? Look at it over and over again. What are those WR routes intended to do? Horrible play design. Looks like something you’d do in the backyard. ‘Everyone go out and turn around!’ 
 

Come on Joe Brady, you’ve gotta be kidding me! 

 

That should have been a TD to Hollins coming off the pick, but Josh bails out of a clean pocket for no reason and then instead of leading Coleman to the sticks for a 1st down he tries to steal a TD on an ill-advised throw out of bounds that doesn't work.

That mess was entirely on Allen, imo.

[HappyDays]

Just now, ALLinALLEN said:

Yep that’s the play I referenced. And yup I actually was thinking that while watching the All22. Not just that play but on many others, the WRs just keep running. Like you mentioned, just stop your route there. 
 

My hope? That they learn and adjust to Allen (especially with so many new faces). But, Kincaid does it too and that worries me they’ll never learn

 

I think there is (and has been) a lack of coaching the details in this offense. Everyone loves to blame execution. But the coaches are responsible for getting their players ready to execute. When you have a QB like Josh you CANNOT fudge the details on the scramble drill. It has to be baked into the offense as much as anything else. If it was just Hollins I would chalk it up to one bad egg but like you said it's everybody.

[Simon]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Allen is in scramble drill and Hollins just cluelessly keeps running in the opposite direction across the field. You want to know why Mahomes to Kelce is impossible to stop? Kelce just stands still in the wide open space and makes this an easy throw.

 

I mean c'mon Mack:

 

 

I'm not expecting him to be Kelce but there is so much space there to make himself an available target and instead he drifts away from his QB. Basic scramble drill rules tell you he needs to come back to the ball. I have no idea what he is thinking here.

 

This is why Shakir has actually become so valuable to the offense. Beyond his YAC skills, he has developed a knack for making himself an easy target for Allen. These other guys running routes haven't got a clue.

 

 

On the other hand, if Allen just plants and reloads Hollins probably walks into the endzone untouched.

[billieve420]

11 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

This is an insane take in my opinion.

There is not a QB in the NFL who throws into tighter windows and makes covered guys open more than Josh Allen.

 

What… the… literal… bleep.

 

I can not begin to understand the mental

leaps one must make to think that the QB running for his life the entirety of the game and watching as his receivers dropped 5 passes, as well as a TD pass, was the problem. 

 

 

Need to stop thinking he needs to carry team and make the difficult throw. Sometimes it is ok to take the easy play and allow the other guys to make plays. When you are paying QB Franchise money needs to be better situationally.