Josh Allen Performance Yesterday..a Redux

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

31 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Josh was the worst player on the field for this offense yesterday.

 

Look at the final drive that cost us the game.  2nd and ten from our own end zone and he has Coleman and Kincaid each for a guaranteed 5+ yards giving us a more manageable 3rd down and not from inside our own end zone.  Which also gives us more room to punt and pin them back further if we don’t convert. 
 

Josh throws up a prayer to none other than a blanketed Mack Hollins.  WTF is he thinking.  This is as stupid as the decision to even throw all 3 downs by our coaches.  

 

Earlier he had a wide open Hollins on a post for a TD and he locks on to Coleman who isn’t open and throws it out of the end zone instead.  
 

Allen was absolutely terrible yesterday and I love Allen, but we have to all remove our bias and homer caps and be honest about his play yesterday.  I can’t think of a game he was worse since maybe his first game as a rookie.  

 

Probably the jags 9-6 game for me.  Both were bad when it came to pass protection and he made it worse.  

[Alphadawg7]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

This is an insane take in my opinion.

There is not a QB in the NFL who throws into tighter windows and makes covered guys open more than Josh Allen.

 

What… the… literal… bleep.

 

I can not begin to understand the mental

leaps one must make to think that the QB running for his life the entirety of the game and watching as his receivers dropped 5 passes, as well as a TD pass, was the problem. 

 

 

Maybe you should rewatch the game.  He was terrible yesterday.  Does it mean no one else made mistakes?  Nope.  But no question this was the worse game Josh has played since his rookie year in my mind.  And I love Josh as much as anyone if not more, so I take no pleasure of saying any of this.  

[Dan]

The offense is starting to look like the offenses of Hacket with no creativity or rhythm and little situational awareness.   Top that with the majority of plays happening within 10yds of the LOS and defenses can just tee off. They have little fear of the 20-25yd crossing patterns.    How many times did they call the WR bubble screen thing.. it didn’t work.  No play action passes. Few designed rollouts .. Josh does this, but not by design.    
 

The offense is predictable and relies on short passes to the boundary or runs between the tackles.  Add in that we have no true “playmakers”… and it’s a recipe for failure.  
 

If Brady can’t adjust and figure it out.. the season is over in the WC round. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

this team is so inept at screens and hot routes.  The entire week of practice should be those 

My blood was boiling on those screens lol. They should’ve been big plays if the blocking was just slightly below average minimum 

[Kirby Jackson]

 

[Einstein]

28 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

 

Im genuinely curious what some fans wanted Allen to do.

 

Escape an untouched rusher, roll to his right, and then throw to an absolutely blanketed receiver?

 

What was he supposed to do!? 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

Im genuinely curious what some fans wanted Allen to do.

 

Escape an untouched rusher, roll to his right, and then throw to an absolutely blanketed receiver?

 

What was he supposed to do!? 

Exactly!! Honestly, I was screaming for him to run more. That was the only option.

[C.Biscuit97]

Couple things 

 

1 - ours WRs scare no defense 

2 - as a result, teams can play man against us and blitz more because they aren’t afraid of getting beat

3 - as much as he is a superhero, Allen wasn’t very good yesterday. It’s ok to say that too though he has little help besides cook.

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Exactly!! Honestly, I was screaming for him to run more. That was the only option.

I do think he is so in his head about trying to be a pocket passer and not taking big hits running that he is becoming less aggressive. Same thing with the turnovers. Do we want safe, conservative Josh or do we want cray man Josh who does things no one else in the league can do but will make some crazy mistakes as well? 

[zow2]

I think most of the Allen critics yesterday and vs Baltimore are justified.  Be honest and try not to be a homer.  If I'm a defensive coordinator I make Allen beat you by throwing from the pocket and put a spy on him so he can't gain the edge.   I personally don't love his game from the pocket, sometimes he is slow to read what is happening and his passes aren't super accurate.  I love his game as he moves around and makes throws in crisis, or takes off an runs.

I don't know what happened yesterday, maybe he was still hurting from the Baltimore game.  Some of his short/med throws were woefully behind or sailing way too high... just no touch or accuracy.  Although to me the Hollins pass was fine and shoulda been caught.  The pass to Kincaid was horrendous, classic Allen throwing a frozen rope when a nice arc dropping in front of Kincaid so he can adjust and run under it was the play.

Anyway, Allen is the man.  He's the only reason the Bills are the Bills the past 6 years.   So that's just my critique, and no I could not do any better, lol.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

This is an insane take in my opinion.

There is not a QB in the NFL who throws into tighter windows and makes covered guys open more than Josh Allen.

I did not say he does not throw to tight windows....he does not throw to his first read much compared to the rest of the league and that has been a hallmark of his in the NFL.  He has been described as a see it throw it guy vs a guy that throws with anticipation.   He holds the ball long traditionally and that is what happened the last two weeks which results in more pressure.  You can think that is insane but it is all actually factual.  You can look at first read percentages and time to throw metrics....

[2003Contenders]

It also seems like Shakir is the one who knows how to run a "fire drill" and help out his QB when he gets flushed from the pocket. I can't recall a time yesterday when Josh was running for his life and was able to find an open receiver. I do recall a few of those plays where receivers (Samuel, in particular) were just standing around.

[toto8]

6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Josh was the worst player on the field for this offense yesterday.

 

Look at the final drive that cost us the game.  2nd and ten from our own end zone and he has Coleman and Kincaid each for a guaranteed 5+ yards giving us a more manageable 3rd down and not from inside our own end zone.  Which also gives us more room to punt and pin them back further if we don’t convert. 
 

Josh throws up a prayer to none other than a blanketed Mack Hollins.  WTF is he thinking.  This is as stupid as the decision to even throw all 3 downs by our coaches.  

 

Earlier he had a wide open Hollins on a post for a TD and he locks on to Coleman who isn’t open and throws it out of the end zone instead.  
 

Allen was absolutely terrible yesterday and I love Allen, but we have to all remove our bias and homer caps and be honest about his play yesterday.  I can’t think of a game he was worse since maybe his first game as a rookie.  

Josh deserves all the blame here. That's an NFL open receiver he doesn't pull the trigger who knows why. Very similar play to the last drive of the playoff game against the chiefs. Had Kincaid open and chose to throw long. 

 

I also noticed that a lot of times has a good pocket and he can step up and instead he runs outside into pressure. You would expect that this being year 7th he would become better at recognizing it. Also he's not playing like he's getting paid.

 

I liked Dabol as his OC because he had more seniority and experience and Allen would listen to him, I don't think Brady can impose that kind of authority or respect as Dabol would, ***** didn't Allen ignore Tom Brady's advice about taking what the defense gives you? That right there tell us that he needs someone that really gets into his head. 

[Best Williams Available]

Joe Brady lost the game on 3rd and 10 from the 15 after the strip sack sending all receivers to the EZ on routes. Then Josh lost it again on 2nd and 10 from the 3 throwing that prayer up to Hollis when 2 guys are sitting there open in front of him.

Needless to say, when one guy made a correct decision the other guy made a wrong one—that sank the O all game and the last 2 weeks perhaps.

[SectionC3]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Josh was the worst player on the field for this offense yesterday.

 

Look at the final drive that cost us the game.  2nd and ten from our own end zone and he has Coleman and Kincaid each for a guaranteed 5+ yards giving us a more manageable 3rd down and not from inside our own end zone.  Which also gives us more room to punt and pin them back further if we don’t convert. 
 

Josh throws up a prayer to none other than a blanketed Mack Hollins.  WTF is he thinking.  This is as stupid as the decision to even throw all 3 downs by our coaches.  

 

Earlier he had a wide open Hollins on a post for a TD and he locks on to Coleman who isn’t open and throws it out of the end zone instead.  
 

Allen was absolutely terrible yesterday and I love Allen, but we have to all remove our bias and homer caps and be honest about his play yesterday.  I can’t think of a game he was worse since maybe his first game as a rookie.  

It’s probably because he was playing concussed. 

[Alphadawg7]

4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

It’s probably because he was playing concussed. 

 

Then why was he playing so bad the whole game before that play where he left the game shortly to get examined?

[first_and_ten]

8 hours ago, Rich Stadium Original said:

A lot of criticism of Allen's performance on this board last night and today, some of it warranted, but I think most of it unjustified.

Do I think he played a great game?..of course not. There were a couple of throws that probably should have been picked off, and I think the underthrow to Kincaid down the seam is the one I hated most.

 

But according to ESPN stats last night, he was pressured on 45% of his dropbacks yesterday..completely the opposite of the 1st 3 games..many of them free blitzes. Put another way, he is forced to to get rid of the ball earlier than he may want ON NEARLY EVERY OTHER THROW. Couple that with receivers that were just not getting open and its a recipe for 9 for 31.  

 

Even when the protection was adequate, you could see Allen go through all his progressions finding no one open, and sensing imminent pocket collapse, roll to his right hoping SOMEONE would break open, but it never happened.

 

So where do I put the blame? Starts with the coaching. Many of the same blitzes the Ravens used last week, and still weren't prepared.  Bad recognition at the line calling the protections?  

 

I'm not sure what the expectation was for Allen under those conditions. Force the throw to blanketed receivers and risk more interceptions? Play hero ball and take off running more frequently? Texas did have a spy on him most of the game. Even when Allen recognized the pressure and went to his hot read, Coleman wasn't on the same page and the throw nearly bounced off his facemask.

 

I think a lot of this can be corrected, but I can tell you until they do, I've got a feeling what the Jets game plan is going to be next week.

 

 

Totally agree with this post. Why were they not prepared, since the Ravens were so successful with these blitz packages? I dread what the Jets D will do to this coaching staff. 

[Brian Higgins hair]

Personally, I see it this way.

Mahomes goal is scoring with patience by small goals of first downs first..

Josh’s goal is the big play

 

Josh needs patience, but still can’t get the patience thing down consistently..

[3rdand12]

8 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I think Josh likes to wait and see guys open rather than throw with anticipation.   When he was getting off his first read he was under pressure.  Furthermore the Texans were chasing him down quicker than we typically see.  I know people will say guys are not open.  And I know they took the short stuff away.   There has to be other options they were not planned to take advantage of.   It seems like they are putting more guys in the box.  You have to counter it and make them pay. 
 

Josh was bad at times yesterday.  The throw to Kincaid and then next play he was flustered. 

That was the case Sunday

[JohnNord]

9 hours ago, Bangarang said:

It's becoming evident that defenses do not respect our passing game and will simply settle with playing Cover 0 and sending pressure at Josh. We have shown no ability to adapt or beat it the last 2 weeks so get used to it.

They are playing Cover 1…not Cover 0.  And yes, defenses don’t respect the Bills receivers on the outside.  It’s going to stay like this until they make someone pay 

[3rdand12]

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

In a lot of ways this is the conversation. Is the talent so bad, that regardless of how good or bad the plan is, it does not matter? That’s where I leaned when things were good and am further emblodened in that position now. Even if they wanted to “do something differently” they don’t have the guys to get it done. The pass catchers are next level bad. Josh is going to have extra pressure from here on out. 

No he wasn’t. Mack Hollins was WAY worse. Josh wasn’t good yesterday. Mack Hollins couldn’t have played for ECC yesterday.

I wondered about the throw to Hollins to his opposite shoulder on that deeper route. Thought it was miscommunication as to inside or outside shoulder.

 But didn't Josh see he Mack was slightly breaking inside. I blamed that one on Josh. Mack was wide open.

Bills need to make that happens

Josh had a few overthrows and some throw well behind. Again I felt he had time to see the route.

I think Josh had a bad accuracy day. And the pressure argument , well. partly. He sure waited as compared to anticipating and slinging it.

Boy they looked out of sync again though