Curtis Samuel -- wtf???

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Sojourner said:

I hear you, I’m just saying that his best years have been on teams records were

 

5-11

5-11

8-8-1

4-13

 

It works out to around 60 receptions for 700 yards a year. 
 

An option lower down on the selection. 
 

For around the same price they could have had Tyler Boyd. Even DJ Chark, Noah Brown. 

Yeah, but even factoring that in, he's averaging 3.4 yards per play he's involved in (13 targets and 3 rushes). That's laughable for a WR. 

[Sojourner]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Yeah, but even factoring that in, he's averaging 3.4 yards per play he's involved in (13 targets and 3 rushes). That's laughable for a WR. 

100%. 
 

$24m / 3years. 
 

We better get used to it lol

[Roundybout]

2 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

His goal isn't to make the offense worse.  The offense being terrible is a side effect of his monomaniacal focus on complimentary football and desire to field an offense that would have been perfectly average in the 1970s.  His goal is to show everyone how brilliant his system is and isn't going to suddenly change course. He coaches by platitudes and when things go wrong he doubles down.

When was the last time McD used that phrase? It’s like people locking onto “the process” even though he hasn’t said that since like 2019. 
 

Again, come on. 

[The Helmet of]

How about the final throw to him on third and 10? Was he open?

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

100%. 
 

$24m / 3years. 
 

We better get used to it lol

It could end up being 2 years/$16 million with a cap hit in 2026 of $3.4 million. Not ideal, but not a horrible hit given the likely size of the cap that year. The fact that I'm already thinking about this is kinda sad, though. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/21781/curtis-samuel

Just now, The Helmet of said:

How about the final throw to him on third and 10? Was he open?

He was wide open. Allen got hit, though.

Edited October 7 by dave mcbride

[dorquemada]

5 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

When was the last time McD used that phrase? It’s like people locking onto “the process” even though he hasn’t said that since like 2019. 
 

Again, come on. 

 

If you really don't believe that McD is ideologically driven in his coaching style than it follows that you believe he's good at gametime decision making and in-game adjustments.

 

Do you believe that? 

[Roundybout]

3 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

If you really don't believe that McD is ideologically driven in his coaching style than it follows that you believe he's good at gametime decision making and in-game adjustments.

 

Do you believe that? 

Given that all advanced metrics show he’s top-5 in going for it, as an example, yes I think he’s fine. 
 

His defense adjusted perfectly yesterday and gave our offense the chance to win it. Twice. They failed. 

[dorquemada]

4 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Given that all advanced metrics show he’s top-5 in going for it, as an example, yes I think he’s fine. 
 

His defense adjusted perfectly yesterday and gave our offense the chance to win it. Twice. They failed. 

 

The defense looked better when Nico Collins was out.  How many 3rd and longs did the Bills give up yesterday? 

 

I guess we're just not going to agree and that's fine.  To me he's one of the worst game day coaches in the league.  His teams can never handle the slightest wrinkle.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Everyone wants a new WR, yet we aren’t even using the ones we have. No more gimmicks for CS, use him as a traditional WR and have Coleman take the bulk of the snaps over Hollins and MVS. 

[BillsFan2313]

53 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

Reminds me Hines and Harty….team has no idea how to use Swiss Army knife type players! Brady should watch the old tapes when Daboll was here, the way he used McKenzie should be the same we use Samuel.

 

Yet we keep wanting one badly. Makes no sense

[MPL]

It might be important to remember that Diggs was still on the roster when Samuel was signed. I don't think they were planning on trading Diggs when they signed Samuel. And then, they had to trade Diggs, or at least felt like they had to. And now Samuel isn't being setup for success at all because, ya know, it's a WR room full of slot guys. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

When have we ever been able to use these types of players? Deonte Harty, Nyheim Hines, McKenzie and now Curtis Samuel. Seems to be a common thing for our offenses to misuse weapons. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

This is the most baffling part of the offense this year.

Agreed. I wanted him in FA and felt he could be a real weapon for us, but he hasn't done squat

 

[T.E.]

He's never been very good, to be honest. Has four total 100 yards games, despite playing most of his career on bad teams where he had tons of opportunities to build up stats in garbage time.

[LabattBlue]

So does the turf toe hurt more whenever he crosses the line of scrimmage?  Brady is an idiot. 

[TwistofFate]

I'm going to leave this here. 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Judging from his performance in 2022 and 2023, Curtis Samuel is not a bad player at all and is indeed a moderately productive one if used properly. 

 

In this system, though, it feels like most throws to Curtis Samuel are behind the LOS and they seem to end up with him tackled around or slightly behind the LOS. It's baffling. He has long been a fairly productive player, with 171 touches (126 catches for 10 ypr; 45 runs for 5.1 ypc) and 10 TDs in the 25 games he played for Washington in the previous two years. That's basically 7 touches for 60 yards and .4 TDs per game, and with garbage QBs throwing to him. He had a 69 percent catch rate too. For the Bills, he has 12 touches on 16 targets/carries for freaking 54 yards over five games and hasn't sniffed the EZ. He is averaging 3.4 yards per play he's involved in, and he's a WIDE RECEIVER. That shouldn't happen; it's terrible. He's not a true difference maker, but he's certainly not this bad.  

 

At this point, I have to think he's simply being misused.

The irony is this IS the guy that he can be at his best. He was a running back in college. It’s the poor design and predictability of his use that’s been bad. He hasn’t been good but he should be used liked Deebo. He isn’t a straight boundary WR. He never was.

 

He CAN do some of that. He also can get some carries. He should catch some swings. He should catch some slants. He should run some downfield routes when healthy. Samuel has been bad. The Bills have no idea how to get him into space. Both are true. For me, I think he is about an 8 touch a game guy. 4 carries, 2 slants, a swing and a streak would work. 

[sunshynman]

3 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

I'm going to leave this here. 

 

 

In fairness we have tried the WR screens with him. He just didn’t have the blocking in front of him like WA had. And  he doesn’t have that same burst right now. 

[Lofton80]

I have to believe his toe is limiting him. He certainly was targeted a lot at St. John Fisher in the practices I saw. Tis is info from when they signed him: 

 

Matthew Harmon, a wide receiver guru known for his Reception Perception methodology, released the following stats on Samuel’s route running success rate in 2023.

75.4% success rate vs. man coverage (82nd percentile in the league). Samuel has cleared 75% success rate vs. man in all 4 seasons charted for reception perception

Samuel’s 80% success rate vs. zone was the best mark of his career Samuel’s ability to separate and get open against man and zone should be a major asset for Buffalo’s offense in 2024.

 

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2024/07/unleashing-curtis-samuel-is-1-of-10-keys-to-buffalo-bills-super-bowl-run.html

[Jukester]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

Bad coaching will make merely adequate players seem terrible, and great players merely adequate

 

The Bills have terrible coaching.  Brady has nothing and is all out of ideas, meanwhile McD continues to pursue his system wherein the evidence of our eyes is ignored in pursuit of a ideological goal, which overrules common sense and the reality of the roster.  Our defense continues to be unable to handle 3rd and long.  Im sure someone keeps the stats, and maybe Ill go look for them later, but ive never watched a team, even a BAD team, that gives up as many 3rd and longs as the Bills the last several years.  That's even with the massive investment year after year in the D.  It's a fail and the sooner we acknowledge that the better we can all feel about being a .500 team

Spot on!  Coaching is very bad.

As teams see a few weeks of tape, we have become very predictable. We dont put our players in the right positions to succeed. This was the game for Samuel to break out and he barely saw the ball, and when he did it was bubble screens. He should be playing outside and Coleman should be slot. Mac Hollins shouldn’t be on the field let alone get the highest number of targets 🤦‍♂️.  How can professional football coaches not see this??