Do you approve of the job Brandon Beane is doing?

[chongli]

10 hours ago, SCBills said:

. 

Even this offseason, the Ravens look brilliant for pairing Lamar with Henry.  We spent the same money APY on Curtis Samuel. 
 

 

Yet Lamar has the same number of rings as Josh does. As does Herbert and Burrow.

 

And if Beane signed Henry, a 30-year old RB, to $10 million a year and he was a dud or gets injured, Beane would be a laughing stock. I like James Cook.

[first_and_ten]

11 hours ago, Gregg said:

To go into the season with these WR's is criminal when you have a QB like Allen. No matter how the rest of the year plays out, Beane needs to have a great offseason with FA and the draft in finding some elite level talent for Allen to work with next year.

 

Good luck with that 

 This brings up another question. Does Beane have the authority to fire the guy who hired him? Pegula is clueless when it comes to running sports franchises, so I doubt if he could answer this question. He seems to have a man crush on McDermott, so he's good with wasting a talent like Josh Allen with this offensive challenged head coach. After 13 seconds , maybe he deserved to get fired. After Cincinnati, he had to go. Look at the team now. 

[FireChans]

Emphatically, NO.

 

Listen, Brandon Beane isn't the worst GM in football. But there are enough glaring flaws that he DESERVES to fall out of grace.

 

Let's do a history rewind. Because the story of the 2024 Bills wasn't just written in 2024. In the NFL, a team can have a bad draft and win a Superbowl that same year. The truly bad decisions and the fallout from them is literally YEARS in the making.

 

Folks think our salary cap issues started in 2024. They didn't, they started much much earlier, because Beane is wasteful.

 

Beane throws around money to washed NFL JAGs all the time. He gave Settle $9M. He gave $6M to Saffold after being the worst OG in football for a season. He gave Von Miller massive money, which failed. He gave Diggs a massive contract extension with 2 years left on his deal, then traded him before his extension even kicked in. He gave Lae'l Collins $5M GTD to come to camp this year, who was then promptly cut, a year after Collins was a practice squad player.

 

Brandon Beane in 2017 - 2020 had money to burn. They had no gigantic contracts. Hyde and Poyer were on financially great deals for the Bills, and Josh and Tre's big money didn't even really kick in yet. Beane could afford to overpay a bit for mediocre to average players and it was basically his strategy. Who can forget signing a bunch of OL to medium money and trading whoever didn't work out for a 5th at camp cutdowns? It's a strategy that works when you expect $60M in space year after year. Not one that works when the belt tightens.

 

Not only that, he had a roster where he couldn't lose. When the team was torn down to the studs in 17-18, it didn't matter who Beane drafted. He could draft virtually ANY position and fill a need. @BADOLBILZ has talked about this a lot, when every position is a need, it becomes much simpler to draft. Anybody you select is going to fill a gaping hole and be a solid pick at the very least. This also doesn't work when your team needs to be smart about value because the belt tightens and you are trying to win a Super Bowl, not win 10 games and be a WC appearance.

 

Beane isn't a horrendous drafter. But he has horrendous strategies that are not just obvious in hindsight, but obvious at the time.  Since 2019, the Bills have spent 2 third round picks, a second round pick and a 4th round pick on running backs.  Only 2 of those players are on the team today, and one of them was traded before his contract was even up. Honestly, if any of those picks go to virtually any other position, who knows what the 2024 Bills look like. The decision tree gets obliterated by bad positional value. If we take a CB worth a damn, do we not reach on Elam?  If we take a WR worth a damn, do we not get held over a barrel with Diggs' extension to make him happy?  No one can know, but what we do know is that we have spent an inordinate amount of resources on a position that NFL has told us for 5 years is the worst position to invest in.

 

So then we get to WR's and this is the brunt of it. Brandon Beane used to value good WR's. He brought in Brown for solid money. He brought in Beasley for solid money. He traded for Diggs on top of those dudes when the time was right and drafted a really good 4th WR in Gabe Davis. And then he forgot about WR's.

 

He cut John Brown and brought in an old Emmanuel Sanders in 2021 who basically washed out of the league midway through the season. In 2022, he also hands out an extension to Diggs here because he knows without Diggs, this group sucks. They elevated Gabe to #2 and cut Beasley in favor of bums like McKenzie as WR3 in 2022, desperately realized the WR position was a disaster and BROUGHT BACK the corpses of John Brown and Cole Beasley midseason. There could be no greater evidence the WR group was a disaster when you are doing things like that midseason. But then we get to the next offseason, and our boy again forgets about WR's again and goes Dalton Kincaid in a trade-up, just after giving Knox a big money extension. He adds another throw away fifth round pick at WR. And then trots out this disaster when it goes to hell.

 

It all spirals from there. The mishandling of the WR position for 3 straight years is the real catalyst.   The decision to extend Diggs because we had no WR talent, to not prepare at all for Gabe's departure, to not address the position that quickly became the second highest paid position in the sport is legitimately probably the cause ~80% of our issues today.

 

Why do our WR's suck this year?  Because Beane mishandled the WR room and hasn't drafted enough good ones (RB room is good but it doesn't help when we are down 20)

 

Why do we have no cap space? Because Beane mishandled the WR room and was forced to pay Diggs and then trade him before the extension kicked in.

 

If we have cap space and some good WR's going into 2024, are we even having a conversation if Beane sucks or not?  No.

 

Beane screwed the pooch. And the sad thing is, it was PREDICTABLE.  He is a solid GM with fundamental flaws that will be the figurative death of him. Whaley with a different coat of paint. Go hire an Eagles AGM who understands how the game is played. NEXT.

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

10 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Yes, I am still happy with Beane.  I think the WR's that we have on this team should be, and still could be, good enough to win games.  When you pay your QB the kind of money Josh makes, and take a large cap hit to get rid of a locker room cancer, there is only so much you can do.  True WR1's are very expensive right now, and it would be impossible to add one, without cutting corners elsewhere. (and then everyone would B word about that)

 

That said, if there is a chance to add someone like Adams or Amari Cooper, part way through the season, and not mortgage the future, I hope he takes it.  

My thoughts are similar in the overall job of free agents, drafts, etc. with some gaps.  The most glaring as you state is the WR room.  We just don’t have enough talent. Shakir is fine along with our TE’s, amd Cook.  MVS, Hollis, and if Samuel is not hurt are worthless.

 

Your assessment to add one of those two names is right.  If we don’t, it will be a big miss.  Although Adams is the better weapon even at his age, but Cooper mid season is I think they assessed only be $600,000 to the cap.  I don’t know what is wrong with Brady’s use of Samuel.  Samuel had his best professional seasons under Brady in Carolina with an old and broken down Cam Newton and Bridgewater.  Samuel is being missed in this offense. He was an effective downfield threat, but he’s being used as a gadget guy.  Adams/Cooper, Samuel for the outside and Shakir in the slot along with Kincaid as the primary TE  in 11 personnel.  I don’t mind 15% 12 personnel to keep the opponent honest as Knox is still a decent TE, but again underutilized.

 

Brady has to be more creative and effective for that matter.  I thought he was a breath for fresh air last year, but now he’s coming across predictable now, amd I do t want us to be some ground and pound running approach.  Being balanced is fine, but Josh has to do what he does best, driving it downfield.

[ProcessImproverMan]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Emphatically, NO.

 

Listen, Brandon Beane isn't the worst GM in football. But there are enough glaring flaws that he DESERVES to fall out of grace.

 

Let's do a history rewind. Because the story of the 2024 Bills wasn't just written in 2024. In the NFL, a team can have a bad draft and win a Superbowl that same year. The truly bad decisions and the fallout from them is literally YEARS in the making.

 

Folks think our salary cap issues started in 2024. They didn't, they started much much earlier, because Beane is wasteful.

 

Beane throws around money to washed NFL JAGs all the time. He gave Settle $9M. He gave $6M to Saffold after being the worst OG in football for a season. He gave Von Miller massive money, which failed. He gave Diggs a massive contract extension with 2 years left on his deal, then traded him before his extension even kicked in. He gave Lae'l Collins $5M GTD to come to camp this year, who was then promptly cut, a year after Collins was a practice squad player.

 

Brandon Beane in 2017 - 2020 had money to burn. They had no gigantic contracts. Hyde and Poyer were on financially great deals for the Bills, and Josh and Tre's big money didn't even really kick in yet. Beane could afford to overpay a bit for mediocre to average players and it was basically his strategy. Who can forget signing a bunch of OL to medium money and trading whoever didn't work out for a 5th at camp cutdowns? It's a strategy that works when you expect $60M in space year after year. Not one that works when the belt tightens.

 

Not only that, he had a roster where he couldn't lose. When the team was torn down to the studs in 17-18, it didn't matter who Beane drafted. He could draft virtually ANY position and fill a need. @BADOLBILZ has talked about this a lot, when every position is a need, it becomes much simpler to draft. Anybody you select is going to fill a gaping hole and be a solid pick at the very least. This also doesn't work when your team needs to be smart about value because the belt tightens and you are trying to win a Super Bowl, not win 10 games and be a WC appearance.

 

Beane isn't a horrendous drafter. But he has horrendous strategies that are not just obvious in hindsight, but obvious at the time.  Since 2019, the Bills have spent 2 third round picks, a second round pick and a 4th round pick on running backs.  Only 2 of those players are on the team today, and one of them was traded before his contract was even up. Honestly, if any of those picks go to virtually any other position, who knows what the 2024 Bills look like. The decision tree gets obliterated by bad positional value. If we take a CB worth a damn, do we not reach on Elam?  If we take a WR worth a damn, do we not get held over a barrel with Diggs' extension to make him happy?  No one can know, but what we do know is that we have spent an inordinate amount of resources on a position that NFL has told us for 5 years is the worst position to invest in.

 

So then we get to WR's and this is the brunt of it. Brandon Beane used to value good WR's. He brought in Brown for solid money. He brought in Beasley for solid money. He traded for Diggs on top of those dudes when the time was right and drafted a really good 4th WR in Gabe Davis. And then he forgot about WR's.

 

He cut John Brown and brought in an old Emmanuel Sanders in 2021 who basically washed out of the league midway through the season. In 2022, he also hands out an extension to Diggs here because he knows without Diggs, this group sucks. They elevated Gabe to #2 and cut Beasley in favor of bums like McKenzie as WR3 in 2022, desperately realized the WR position was a disaster and BROUGHT BACK the corpses of John Brown and Cole Beasley midseason. There could be no greater evidence the WR group was a disaster when you are doing things like that midseason. But then we get to the next offseason, and our boy again forgets about WR's again and goes Dalton Kincaid in a trade-up, just after giving Knox a big money extension. He adds another throw away fifth round pick at WR. And then trots out this disaster when it goes to hell.

 

It all spirals from there. The mishandling of the WR position for 3 straight years is the real catalyst.   The decision to extend Diggs because we had no WR talent, to not prepare at all for Gabe's departure, to not address the position that quickly became the second highest paid position in the sport is legitimately probably the cause ~80% of our issues today.

 

Why do our WR's suck this year?  Because Beane mishandled the WR room and hasn't drafted enough good ones (RB room is good but it doesn't help when we are down 20)

 

Why do we have no cap space? Because Beane mishandled the WR room and was forced to pay Diggs and then trade him before the extension kicked in.

 

If we have cap space and some good WR's going into 2024, are we even having a conversation if Beane sucks or not?  No.

 

Beane screwed the pooch. And the sad thing is, it was PREDICTABLE.  He is a solid GM with fundamental flaws that will be the figurative death of him. Whaley with a different coat of paint. Go hire an Eagles AGM who understands how the game is played. NEXT.

 

 

Great historical research right here. Fully agree. 

 

I was screaming we take Metcalf over Ford and when that didn't happen.....Jefferson over using a first on Diggs (watched Jefferson alot at LSU). Either one of those moves and we don't have this mess and have a much better receiver locked up. Beanes handling with Diggs has ruined this team for this year and cost fans money on a failed team 

[FireChans]

14 minutes ago, ProcessImproverMan said:

Great historical research right here. Fully agree. 

 

I was screaming we take Metcalf over Ford and when that didn't happen.....Jefferson over using a first on Diggs (watched Jefferson alot at LSU). Either one of those moves and we don't have this mess and have a much better receiver locked up. Beanes handling with Diggs has ruined this team for this year and cost fans money on a failed team 

Well that's the thing about Beane.  Ford over Metcalf is one move. As a one-off in a vacuum, you can just say "all GM's miss."

 

But the problems with the Bills today are from YEARS and YEARS of bad process. And bad process is unforgivable.

[machine gun kelly]

24 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Emphatically, NO.

 

Listen, Brandon Beane isn't the worst GM in football. But there are enough glaring flaws that he DESERVES to fall out of grace.

 

Let's do a history rewind. Because the story of the 2024 Bills wasn't just written in 2024. In the NFL, a team can have a bad draft and win a Superbowl that same year. The truly bad decisions and the fallout from them is literally YEARS in the making.

 

Folks think our salary cap issues started in 2024. They didn't, they started much much earlier, because Beane is wasteful.

 

Beane throws around money to washed NFL JAGs all the time. He gave Settle $9M. He gave $6M to Saffold after being the worst OG in football for a season. He gave Von Miller massive money, which failed. He gave Diggs a massive contract extension with 2 years left on his deal, then traded him before his extension even kicked in. He gave Lae'l Collins $5M GTD to come to camp this year, who was then promptly cut, a year after Collins was a practice squad player.

 

Brandon Beane in 2017 - 2020 had money to burn. They had no gigantic contracts. Hyde and Poyer were on financially great deals for the Bills, and Josh and Tre's big money didn't even really kick in yet. Beane could afford to overpay a bit for mediocre to average players and it was basically his strategy. Who can forget signing a bunch of OL to medium money and trading whoever didn't work out for a 5th at camp cutdowns? It's a strategy that works when you expect $60M in space year after year. Not one that works when the belt tightens.

 

Not only that, he had a roster where he couldn't lose. When the team was torn down to the studs in 17-18, it didn't matter who Beane drafted. He could draft virtually ANY position and fill a need. @BADOLBILZ has talked about this a lot, when every position is a need, it becomes much simpler to draft. Anybody you select is going to fill a gaping hole and be a solid pick at the very least. This also doesn't work when your team needs to be smart about value because the belt tightens and you are trying to win a Super Bowl, not win 10 games and be a WC appearance.

 

Beane isn't a horrendous drafter. But he has horrendous strategies that are not just obvious in hindsight, but obvious at the time.  Since 2019, the Bills have spent 2 third round picks, a second round pick and a 4th round pick on running backs.  Only 2 of those players are on the team today, and one of them was traded before his contract was even up. Honestly, if any of those picks go to virtually any other position, who knows what the 2024 Bills look like. The decision tree gets obliterated by bad positional value. If we take a CB worth a damn, do we not reach on Elam?  If we take a WR worth a damn, do we not get held over a barrel with Diggs' extension to make him happy?  No one can know, but what we do know is that we have spent an inordinate amount of resources on a position that NFL has told us for 5 years is the worst position to invest in.

 

So then we get to WR's and this is the brunt of it. Brandon Beane used to value good WR's. He brought in Brown for solid money. He brought in Beasley for solid money. He traded for Diggs on top of those dudes when the time was right and drafted a really good 4th WR in Gabe Davis. And then he forgot about WR's.

 

He cut John Brown and brought in an old Emmanuel Sanders in 2021 who basically washed out of the league midway through the season. In 2022, he also hands out an extension to Diggs here because he knows without Diggs, this group sucks. They elevated Gabe to #2 and cut Beasley in favor of bums like McKenzie as WR3 in 2022, desperately realized the WR position was a disaster and BROUGHT BACK the corpses of John Brown and Cole Beasley midseason. There could be no greater evidence the WR group was a disaster when you are doing things like that midseason. But then we get to the next offseason, and our boy again forgets about WR's again and goes Dalton Kincaid in a trade-up, just after giving Knox a big money extension. He adds another throw away fifth round pick at WR. And then trots out this disaster when it goes to hell.

 

It all spirals from there. The mishandling of the WR position for 3 straight years is the real catalyst.   The decision to extend Diggs because we had no WR talent, to not prepare at all for Gabe's departure, to not address the position that quickly became the second highest paid position in the sport is legitimately probably the cause ~80% of our issues today.

 

Why do our WR's suck this year?  Because Beane mishandled the WR room and hasn't drafted enough good ones (RB room is good but it doesn't help when we are down 20)

 

Why do we have no cap space? Because Beane mishandled the WR room and was forced to pay Diggs and then trade him before the extension kicked in.

 

If we have cap space and some good WR's going into 2024, are we even having a conversation if Beane sucks or not?  No.

 

Beane screwed the pooch. And the sad thing is, it was PREDICTABLE.  He is a solid GM with fundamental flaws that will be the figurative death of him. Whaley with a different coat of paint. Go hire an Eagles AGM who understands how the game is played. NEXT.

 

 

Chans, you made some solid points although I still contend Beane has done more right than wrong.   The part you lost me is an Eagles AGM.  Haven’t you watched them last year how they fell apart, and have been the walking dead this year.  Specifically, when I saw them against Tampa, they were outclassed in every way.

 

That is not a direction I’d be looking for our next GM.  As far as the older players, that was just to fill gaps with limited funds.   I’m willing to give him more rope, amd I constantly remind myself what Bill Polian used to say on Late Hits (NFLR on his spot Wednesday nights) that he looked at his own picks with a scrutinous eye amd said he nailed it only 57% of his career.  Now he’s in the HOF amd he may be arrogant, but he was brilliant in his younger days.

[GoBills808]

yes

 

he's batting 1.000 on the single most important part of the job- getting the QB spot right

[ghostwriter]

I think coaching is the problem.

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

yes

 

he's batting 1.000 on the single most important part of the job- getting the QB spot right

Ryan Grigson should have been GM for life.

 

7 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Chans, you made some solid points although I still contend Beane has done more right than wrong.   The part you lost me is an Eagles AGM.  Haven’t you watched them last year how they fell apart, and have been the walking dead this year.  Specifically, when I saw them against Tampa, they were outclassed in every way.

 

That is not a direction I’d be looking for our next GM.  As far as the older players, that was just to fill gaps with limited funds.   I’m willing to give him more rope, amd I constantly remind myself what Bill Polian used to say on Late Hits (NFLR on his spot Wednesday nights) that he looked at his own picks with a scrutinous eye amd said he nailed it only 57% of his career.  Now he’s in the HOF amd he may be arrogant, but he was brilliant in his younger days.

More right than wrong shouldn't be the standard.

 

Furthermore, the 2024 team doesn't look "more right than wrong." Who looks right on this roster? I'm not sure we have more good players than bad players or question marks on the field.

 

Ultimately, the WR problem is too much to ignore. Put it another way.

 

Hypothetically, if the Bills had a garbage QB, and failed to chase a QB in a meaningful way for 3-4 years, you would say that's egregious. It's clearly the most important position, the Bills can't just ignore it.

 

Now WR's aren't as important as QB, but they are arguably the second most important (along with EDGE/pass rush).  Imagine if the Bills had garbage EDGE players. And they just keep taking RB's and safeties and 1T DT's and LB's instead of EDGE for 3-4 years. Again, you would say that's a huge problem.

 

Its the same thing with WR's, WR's are just newly considered more important than they used to be. But Beane was raised in Carolina, where garbage at WR was the playbook du jour. He had an uncharacteristic stretch where he actually thought they were important, but forgot again.

 

The hit rate on individual draft picks is fine, but that's not what matters. If you are a GM in the NFL in 2024, and your most important players are not QB, EDGE, WR, LT, CB and your least important positions aren't RB, S, OG, you are a complete and total dinosaur, I don't care if you find a good RB in the second round more often than others.

 

And your issue with the Eagles are misplaced. The Eagles are super talented with a terrible coach. I would trade rosters with them sans QB in about 2 seconds. They are wasting a really talented team with Sirianni who is Brandon Staley East.

[GoBills808]

man you guys will carry water all day for the wrong people lol

[philholbroo]

Yes, except he needs to realize what they have done is probably as far as McDermott is going to take them. But if they are good with being competitive in playoffs but lose then no change needed.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Emphatically, NO.

 

Listen, Brandon Beane isn't the worst GM in football. But there are enough glaring flaws that he DESERVES to fall out of grace.

 

Let's do a history rewind. Because the story of the 2024 Bills wasn't just written in 2024. In the NFL, a team can have a bad draft and win a Superbowl that same year. The truly bad decisions and the fallout from them is literally YEARS in the making.

 

Folks think our salary cap issues started in 2024. They didn't, they started much much earlier, because Beane is wasteful.

 

Beane throws around money to washed NFL JAGs all the time. He gave Settle $9M. He gave $6M to Saffold after being the worst OG in football for a season. He gave Von Miller massive money, which failed. He gave Diggs a massive contract extension with 2 years left on his deal, then traded him before his extension even kicked in. He gave Lae'l Collins $5M GTD to come to camp this year, who was then promptly cut, a year after Collins was a practice squad player.

 

Brandon Beane in 2017 - 2020 had money to burn. They had no gigantic contracts. Hyde and Poyer were on financially great deals for the Bills, and Josh and Tre's big money didn't even really kick in yet. Beane could afford to overpay a bit for mediocre to average players and it was basically his strategy. Who can forget signing a bunch of OL to medium money and trading whoever didn't work out for a 5th at camp cutdowns? It's a strategy that works when you expect $60M in space year after year. Not one that works when the belt tightens.

 

Not only that, he had a roster where he couldn't lose. When the team was torn down to the studs in 17-18, it didn't matter who Beane drafted. He could draft virtually ANY position and fill a need. @BADOLBILZ has talked about this a lot, when every position is a need, it becomes much simpler to draft. Anybody you select is going to fill a gaping hole and be a solid pick at the very least. This also doesn't work when your team needs to be smart about value because the belt tightens and you are trying to win a Super Bowl, not win 10 games and be a WC appearance.

 

Beane isn't a horrendous drafter. But he has horrendous strategies that are not just obvious in hindsight, but obvious at the time.  Since 2019, the Bills have spent 2 third round picks, a second round pick and a 4th round pick on running backs.  Only 2 of those players are on the team today, and one of them was traded before his contract was even up. Honestly, if any of those picks go to virtually any other position, who knows what the 2024 Bills look like. The decision tree gets obliterated by bad positional value. If we take a CB worth a damn, do we not reach on Elam?  If we take a WR worth a damn, do we not get held over a barrel with Diggs' extension to make him happy?  No one can know, but what we do know is that we have spent an inordinate amount of resources on a position that NFL has told us for 5 years is the worst position to invest in.

 

So then we get to WR's and this is the brunt of it. Brandon Beane used to value good WR's. He brought in Brown for solid money. He brought in Beasley for solid money. He traded for Diggs on top of those dudes when the time was right and drafted a really good 4th WR in Gabe Davis. And then he forgot about WR's.

 

He cut John Brown and brought in an old Emmanuel Sanders in 2021 who basically washed out of the league midway through the season. In 2022, he also hands out an extension to Diggs here because he knows without Diggs, this group sucks. They elevated Gabe to #2 and cut Beasley in favor of bums like McKenzie as WR3 in 2022, desperately realized the WR position was a disaster and BROUGHT BACK the corpses of John Brown and Cole Beasley midseason. There could be no greater evidence the WR group was a disaster when you are doing things like that midseason. But then we get to the next offseason, and our boy again forgets about WR's again and goes Dalton Kincaid in a trade-up, just after giving Knox a big money extension. He adds another throw away fifth round pick at WR. And then trots out this disaster when it goes to hell.

 

It all spirals from there. The mishandling of the WR position for 3 straight years is the real catalyst.   The decision to extend Diggs because we had no WR talent, to not prepare at all for Gabe's departure, to not address the position that quickly became the second highest paid position in the sport is legitimately probably the cause ~80% of our issues today.

 

Why do our WR's suck this year?  Because Beane mishandled the WR room and hasn't drafted enough good ones (RB room is good but it doesn't help when we are down 20)

 

Why do we have no cap space? Because Beane mishandled the WR room and was forced to pay Diggs and then trade him before the extension kicked in.

 

If we have cap space and some good WR's going into 2024, are we even having a conversation if Beane sucks or not?  No.

 

Beane screwed the pooch. And the sad thing is, it was PREDICTABLE.  He is a solid GM with fundamental flaws that will be the figurative death of him. Whaley with a different coat of paint. Go hire an Eagles AGM who understands how the game is played. NEXT.

 

 

This is an excellent synopsis in my opinion.  

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

man you guys will carry water all day for the wrong people lol

There is exactly zero evidence that Beane is being put in chokehold by McDermott to fail at WR.

 

The FO's Beane was a part of in Carolina also failed at WR. Cam won MVP throwing to Tedd Ginn and Devin Funchess. McD wasn't calling the shots out there.

 

Again, build the Ryan Grigson statue. He got the QB situation right. Sure, he was absolute garbage otherwise, got his generational QB killed and injured season after season, and heavily contributed to that QB leaving the team and football all together before 30 years old. But he got the QB situation right. Batting 1.000.

 

You're also wrong about carrying water. Beane and McD have to go. Beane has shown me nothing that proves he deserves a shot without McD's influence. Toss them both, hire Ben Johnson and let him pick a GM we know he aligns with, don't saddle him with more Carolina team-builders who are gonna focus on 100 defensive lineman to play gap control.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

There is exactly zero evidence that Beane is being put in chokehold by McDermott to fail at WR.

 

The FO's Beane was a part of in Carolina also failed at WR. Cam won MVP throwing to Tedd Ginn and Devin Funchess. McD wasn't calling the shots out there.

 

Again, build the Ryan Grigson statue. He got the QB situation right. Sure, he was absolute garbage otherwise, got his generational QB killed and injured season after season, and heavily contributed to that QB leaving the team and football all together before 30 years old. But he got the QB situation right. Batting 1.000.

 

You're also wrong about carrying water. Beane and McD have to go. Beane has shown me nothing that proves he deserves a shot without McD's influence. Toss them both, hire Ben Johnson and let him pick a GM we know he aligns with, don't saddle him with more Carolina team-builders who are gonna focus on 100 defensive lineman to play gap control.

neither was beane lol come on that was either hurney or gettleman, if im supposed to take at face value that beane is just going to do whatever he did in carolina then im also going to believe mcdermott is going to do whatever rivera did. it's just more excuse making

 

and you know i am not a mcdermott guy but this just isnt the season to fire them. we already missed that boat

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

neither was beane lol come on that was either hurney or gettleman, if im supposed to take at face value that beane is just going to do whatever he did in carolina then im also going to believe mcdermott is going to do whatever rivera did. it's just more excuse making

 

and you know i am not a mcdermott guy but this just isnt the season to fire them. we already missed that boat

You fire both, let the new regime get at pick 19 which will probably be the best pick we get in the Josh Allen era, and go from there.

 

Beane wasn't in charge at Carolina, I never said he was. He was a part of that org. That org consistently failed to put WR talent around Cam and asked him to be Superman far too often. They loved big slows at WR and overspent constantly on DL. That sounds awful familiar.

 

Like I said, there's no evidence that Beane is this forward thinker that was disagreeing with Gettleman and now McD. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. You won't offer any evidence because you can't.

 

The only reason you can believe that is because you want to pin everything on McD. It's far far far far more likely that he is cut from the same cloth as his contemporaries from Carolina and is following that playbook here because that's where he cut his football teeth and what he actually believes. This is inarguable. There's a reason McD hired him as the GM in the first place. I don't think it was because Beane had vastly different team-building ideas. That would make no sense.

 

Both are the wrong fit, both were a part of the regime than ruined Cam and are now actively ruining Josh running the same playbook. It's ova, show them the door. Also, Ryan Grigson. Let me know when you want to address that.

Edited October 8 by FireChans

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

You fire both, let the new regime get at pick 19 which will probably be the best pick we get in the Josh Allen era, and go from there.

 

Beane wasn't in charge at Carolina, I never said he was. He was a part of that org. That org consistently failed to put WR talent around Cam and asked him to be Superman far too often. They loved big slows at WR and overspent constantly on DL. That sounds awful familiar.

 

Like I said, there's no evidence that Beane is this forward thinker that was disagreeing with Gettleman and now McD. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. You won't offer any evidence because you can't.

 

The only reason you can believe that is because you want to pin everything on McD. It's far far far far more likely that he is cut from the same cloth as his contemporaries from Carolina and is following that playbook here because that's where he cut his football teeth and what he actually believes. This is inarguable. There's a reason McD hired him as the GM in the first place. I don't think it was because Beane had vastly different team-building ideas. That would make no sense.

 

Both are the wrong fit, both were a part of the regime than ruined Cam and are now actively ruining Josh running the same playbook. It's ova, show them the door.

i won't offer any evidence because i don't believe that lol

 

i am 100% sure beane and mcdermott are in lockstep wrt how this team is built.

[Mike in Horseheads]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i won't offer any evidence because i don't believe that lol

 

i am 100% sure beane and mcdermott are in lockstep wrt how this team is built.

Not according to SWAT

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Not according to SWAT

😂😂well he thinks allen is the biggest of our problems so he has some soul searching to do

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i won't offer any evidence because i don't believe that lol

 

i am 100% sure beane and mcdermott are in lockstep wrt how this team is built.

Then they can both lockstep to the bread line!