Do you approve of the job Brandon Beane is doing?

[Bangarang]

Meh. He's ok. I certainly don't think he's some guru that others make him out to be. 

 

When it comes to the draft, he does better on day 3 than days 1 or 2 which has been so problematic for this team. 

 

His use of resources in the draft is questionable. Drafting Kincaid after paying Knox big money. Drafting Moss in the 4th a year after drafting  Singletary in the 3rd, then drafting Cook 2 years later in the 2nd and Davis in the 4th a year after that. In a matter of 5 years, Beane has used a 2nd, 3rd and two 4th round picks on RBs! Doubling down on DE and drafting Boogie Basham, who had zero high impact NFL qualities, in the 2nd round after drafting Groot in the 1st. 

 

The money he hands out seems like it goes to mediocre players more than game changers. Trent Murphy, Star, Settle, Samuel, Quinton Jefferson, Epenesa etc.

 

Then there's all the restructures that kicks the cap hit down the road and you're left with a cap situation that sucks and leaves minimal room to make moves. 

 

Beane absolutely hit a home run with Josh but his ability to keep weapons around him has been mediocre.

 

Beane is the person that wins the lottery, doesn't know how to manage the wealth and goes broke within a few years and that's how I feel this roster has been  managed.

Edited October 7 by Bangarang

[GASabresIUFan]

Beane is fine.  Other than Polian he is by far the best GM we have had.  
 

His drafting is fine.  It’s BS that he doesn’t draft offense or weapons for Josh. Since he has been in Buffalo he has drafted 28 players for the offense but only 25 for the defense.  His premium picks (rounds 1-3) are nearly evenly split with 10 on O and 11 on D.  In the last 3 years he has used 1st and 2nd rd picks on Kincaid, Coleman and Cook.  In fact of his last 6 1st and 2nd rd picks 4 have been on offense.  
 

If you want criticize his drafting, he used, in his early drafts, many premium picks along the DL with some bad misses like Boogie Basham and even Epenesa.  He also recently missed on Elam in the first.   
 

Of his 21 top 3 round picks only Ford and Basham are true busts with Elam trending in that direction.  
 

However he has made up for it with Davis, Shakir, Benford, Taron Johnson among others.  
 

Does Beane make other mistakes? Absolutely.  His cap management hasn’t been great.  Some of his FA signings have been questionable.  However he also has some huge wins in trade and FAs.  Guys like Diggs, Morse, Beasley, Douglas, Hyde and Poyer come to mind.  
 

Overall he’s done a very good to excellent job and our W/L records is the proof.

 

[CountDorkula]

14 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Beane is fine.  Other than Polian he is by far the best GM we have had.  
 

His drafting is fine.  It’s BS that he doesn’t draft offense or weapons for Josh. Since he has been in Buffalo he has drafted 28 players for the offense but only 25 for the defense.  His premium picks (rounds 1-3) are nearly evenly split with 10 on O and 11 on D.  In the last 3 years he has used 1st and 2nd rd picks on Kincaid, Coleman and Cook.  In fact of his last 6 1st and 2nd rd picks 4 have been on offense.  
 

If you want criticize his drafting, he used, in his early drafts, many premium picks along the DL with some bad misses like Boogie Basham and even Epenesa.  He also recently missed on Elam in the first.   
 

Of his 21 top 3 round picks only Ford and Basham are true busts with Elam trending in that direction.  
 

However he has made up for it with Davis, Shakir, Benford, Taron Johnson among others.  
 

Does Beane make other mistakes? Absolutely.  His cap management hasn’t been great.  Some of his FA signings have been questionable.  However he also has some huge wins in trade and FAs.  Guys like Diggs, Morse, Beasley, Douglas, Hyde and Poyer come to mind.  
 

Overall he’s done a very good to excellent job and our W/L records is the proof.

 

Or is the w/l record a direct result of having Josh Allen. 

[stlbills13]

The Von Miller signing was a huge all-in risk. I actually applaud and appreciate the type of move. It didn't work out and that's a big deal .

 

He has done a good job on the offensive line. I do think the line falters in big moments but for the most part they keep Josh upright for 17+ games

 

He's done a good job with our cornerbacks although 1st rounder on Elam sucks. 

 

He's done a good job with our linebackers especially letting expensive guys walk 

 

He has totally and completely failed the franchise quarterback with what he's done at wide receiver. WR was a need even with Diggs. I have no real problem with moving on from Diggs. It wasn't working. But you had to find a way to get creative and get better at WR. He didn't. 

[CookieG]

29 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Beane is fine.  Other than Polian he is by far the best GM we have had.  
 

His drafting is fine.  It’s BS that he doesn’t draft offense or weapons for Josh. Since he has been in Buffalo he has drafted 28 players for the offense but only 25 for the defense.  His premium picks (rounds 1-3) are nearly evenly split with 10 on O and 11 on D.  In the last 3 years he has used 1st and 2nd rd picks on Kincaid, Coleman and Cook.  In fact of his last 6 1st and 2nd rd picks 4 have been on offense.  
 

If you want criticize his drafting, he used, in his early drafts, many premium picks along the DL with some bad misses like Boogie Basham and even Epenesa.  He also recently missed on Elam in the first.   
 

Of his 21 top 3 round picks only Ford and Basham are true busts with Elam trending in that direction.  
 

However he has made up for it with Davis, Shakir, Benford, Taron Johnson among others.  
 

Does Beane make other mistakes? Absolutely.  His cap management hasn’t been great.  Some of his FA signings have been questionable.  However he also has some huge wins in trade and FAs.  Guys like Diggs, Morse, Beasley, Douglas, Hyde and Poyer come to mind.  
 

Overall he’s done a very good to excellent job and our W/L records is the proof.

 

Overall he has, there is no doubt about that.  But every GM has its strengths and weaknesses.  Even Ozzie Newsome, who could have been the best GM in our generation, had his weaknesses.  (WR and QB).

 

WR is not one of his strong suits.  It applies to both drafting and FA pick ups. It started when he got here, his 2018 WR corps was horrid and made worse by actually trading for Kelvin Benjamin.  To an extent, I think he understood it, and ended up with John Brown and Cole Beasley the next year.

 

He really seemed to understand it in 2020 when he used a 1st round pick for Diggs.  It was as much an admission of his inability to find a stud in the draft, as much as it was getting a vet stud for his new stud WR. 

 

Now, jumping ahead to 2024, after 4 years of Diggs, the WR room has been gutted. 

 

And the current WR corps, save for Shakir, looks as bad as it was in 2018. And that's bad when you have one of the best QB's in the league.

 

Is there a solution?  Yeah...he needs to put his ego aside (McD as well), he needs to bring in a senior scout/asst GM with proven experience in judging WR talent.

AND...he needs to give the guy control. As someone said in another thread, he and McD need to be locked in a closet for the first three rounds of the draft.

 

It really should have been done this year, but what's done is done. But Josh's window is closing, and this is no time to be pretending that you can judge WR talent, when you can't.

 

[GASabresIUFan]

2 hours ago, CookieG said:

WR is not one of his strong suits.  It applies to both drafting and FA pick ups. It started when he got here, his 2018 WR corps was horrid and made worse by actually trading for Kelvin Benjamin.  To an extent, I think he understood it, and ended up with John Brown and Cole Beasley the next year.

If you want to criticize Beane for not using premium picks on WRs, I’m in full agreement, but he has drafted WRs and has found capable players like Davis and Shakir. He has made 7 WR picks before Coleman, all in the 4-7 rounds.  He took Davis in the 4th, Shakir in the 5th, and Ray-Ray McLoud and Hodgins in the 6th.  That’s actually very good late round WR drafting.  
 

He also brought in Diggs, Brown, Beasley and Sanders.  Like I’ve said, much more good than bad.  

 

I’m sorry but your argument about WR evaluation doesn’t hold up.  The best that can be said is that he hasn’t invested enough in WR through his tenure and that’s an argument I can accept and agree with.  When you have Josh why did it take so long to use a top 2 round pick on a WR (he’d argue he spent a 1st on Diggs)? I honestly don’t understand it either.  

Edited October 7 by GASabresIUFan

[CookieG]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said:

If you want to criticize Beane for not using premium picks on WRs, I’m in full agreement, but he has drafted WRs and has found capable players like Davis and Shakir. He has made 7 WR picks before Coleman, all in the 4-7 rounds.  He took Davis in the 4th, Shakir in the 5th, and Ray-Ray McLoud and Hodgins in the 6th.  That’s actually very good late round WR drafting.  
 

He also brought in Diggs, Brown, Beasley and Sanders.  Like so said, much more good than bad.  

 

I’m sorry but your argument about WR evaluation doesn’t hold up.  The best that can be said is that he hasn’t invested enough in WR through his tenure and that’s an argument I can accept and agree with.  When you have Josh why did it take so long to use a top 2 round pick on a WR (he’d argue he spent a 1st on Diggs)? I honestly don’t understand it either.  

Shakir kinda fell into their laps.  What I mean is that I remember the year he was drafted, we needed a DB.  And I remember watching senior bowl practices that year, the WR-DB drills.  As I was watching, I kept seeing one WR who none of these DB's could cover.  It was Shakir.  I started looking into him and he checked a good number of boxes, (except arm length).  Decent size, pretty good speed, great work ethic, and that ability to get separation early in a route. 

 

He really should have been taken earlier.  So when he was there in the 120's, the 5th round, to me, its more of a guy falling into their laps than finding a hidden gem.  At least to me.

 

He gets half credit for Gabe Davis.  A good pick, but I guy who is, and will be limited in what he can do. 

 

So even giving him credit for Shakir, you have 1 1/2 "hits" in 7 years.  

 

And most importantly, 5 games into his 7th year of his regime, you have people begging to trade fora 32 year old WR because it is clear that the WR corps is seriously deficient. At a time when he needed to rebuild his WR corps, his semi-big FA signing was a former draft pick of Carolina, a guy drafted while he was there.  Not really much different than trading for Kelvin Benjamin while he was here.  

 

"when you don't know, go with what you know.  And he goes back to Carolina ...again" 

 

No, its time for Beane to have a come to Jesus moment and do some self evaluation.  I'd be happy if he did and realize he needs help. 

 

Because the 2024 WR corps says that he does.

[Success]

He's at worst a top 10 GM. I think I saw him ranked 6th in a recent poll.

 

It's easy to focus on the misses and mistakes, but overall, his drafts have been really solid, and he's decent enough in FA.  The one area I would critique is giving some players better contracts than they deserve.

 

[DrDawkinstein]

4 hours ago, Lost said:

Every player we give massive extensions too seems to disappear at crucial times...

 

Knox

Bass

Spencer

 

to a lesser extent Ed Oliver

 

I'm probably missing more.

 

Sounds like a coaching problem. Cant get the best out of the guys we have.

4 hours ago, CountDorkula said:

You don’t reset when you have Josh Allen.

 

what other team with an elite level QB decided to just not be good? 

 

I think people are confusing Reset with bad asset and player personnel  management. 

 

The Chiefs had a mini-reset last year, and they struggled through the regular season.

 

But then they got to the playoffs and Reid's coaching gave Mahomes the best platform to win games, and they won the Super Bowl.

There is NO chance of that happening in Buffalo with McDermott.

[thenorthremembers]

From a drafting perspective Beane has made 46 picks not counting this year's class and for the most part it hasnt been bad.   There are a few instances where he missed on picks and could have had better pieces, Devin Singletary over Terry McLaurin and Nate Davis, Justin Shorter over Puka Nacua, Kaiir Elam over Tyler Smith or Tyler Linderbaum, Tremaine Edmunds over Jaire Alexander, Frank Ragnow, or DJ Moore.   In other instances, he made a bad pick where he could have picked franchise altering pieces Cody Ford over AJ Brown or DK Metcalf, Boogie Basham over Creed Humphrey.    However, his decision to go after the right Josh is the primary reason the Bills have been so successful.   Because of that cant give him anything less than a B- for drafting.   

When it comes to extensions, he made errors in overspending on Knox.  I am also not sure they needed to spend money on Oliver and Spencer Brown.   They are good but not great.   Probably should have never given Diggs what he wanted when they extended him.    In free agency he has done a fairly good job of supplementing and not overspending.   Where he really screwed the pooch was overreacting to .13 seconds by overspending on Von Miller.   You dont beat Mahomes by pressuring him.  You beat him by outscoring him.    The move was way outside of his normal spending, and it's a big reason why the Bills do not have the ability to replace Diggs.   It's one of the worst contracts in Bills history.       Free Agency and extensions probably a C-.   

 

 

 

[Airseven]

Of course not. He should've never had the opportunity for this financial re-set/do over.

[hondo in seattle]

I voted "no" with reservations.  I agree with others that it's not straight forward.

 

I appreciate the work Beane's done turning this downtrodden team into perennial competitors.   But the goal is to build a SB team and, so far, he's failed.  We don't have a SB quality roster and haven't since the 1990s.  

 

Beane's given out two big FA contracts: Diggs and Miller.  Neither player worked out the way we hoped.  Both contracts were problematic and hurt our ability to acquire other, much needed players.  With the cap being what it is, paying a player $30M to play for another team is just dumb.  Maybe there was no good solution at that point but Beane took a chance on a player with a prima donna reputation and put us in that position.  

 

Beane's draft record is mixed.  His FA acquisitions are also a mixed bag.  During his tenure, we typically field a team with good depth players but too few playmakers on offense or defense.   And I'm frustrated that Josh has had to run for his life much of his career thus far.  

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

7 hours ago, KentuckyBillsFan said:

Pretty straightforward question

 

Approval is only determined with an evaluation of all his moves.

There are hits, misses and a lot of grey areas.

Then his players are given to coaches who need to dovetail it all together.

 

 

[BananaB]

Most of ya know how I feel about Beane and McD. 

[Unforgiven]

NO.

[billsfan_34]

Passing up Worthy was a collosal mistake. The Von, Dawson, and Stefan contracts are the icing on the cake. Beane has also hitched his wagon for far too long with McD. So no, Beane has not done a good job the past 3 years.

[Returntoglory]

Diggs certainly does.

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

Passing up Worthy was a collosal mistake. The Von, Dawson, and Stefan contracts are the icing on the cake. Beane has also hitched his wagon for far too long with McD. So no, Beane has not done a good job the past 3 years.

 

Collasal!? COLLASAL!??? 

Edited October 7 by Bangarang

[extrahammer]

Belichick was Darth Vader. Reid is the Grim Reaper. McDermott is awkward nice guy who tried to use the 9/11 hijacking for a motivational speech. See the difference?

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

17 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Passing up Worthy was a collosal mistake. The Von, Dawson, and Stefan contracts are the icing on the cake. Beane has also hitched his wagon for far too long with McD. So no, Beane has not done a good job the past 3 years.

This is such a funny take.  Dewayne Carter is playing better than worthy and Coleman who is what we spent the upgraded pick from the trade down on and Coleman really isn’t far behind what worthy has done by any means 

 

Early returns look like the chiefs got fleeced so far even if worthy ends up being good lol. They may have still gotten worthy without the trade up and they gifted us a guy that seems like the real deal and Coleman looks like he could be good as well 

edit:

I really don’t understand what part of any of this is eye roll worthy (no pun intended 😂) we weren’t taking worthy clearly, is everyone sure the niners were or something? 
 

I don’t think you ‘settle’ for pearsall if you wanted worthy…they are two different players.  And the niners didn’t have an immediate glaring wr need anyway so it’s not like they had to pull the trigger on the best available wr there.  I think veach got spooked and ended up handing the bills a pick upgrade when he didn’t need to and that pick upgrade player is lookin good.  So even if worthy is good and Coleman is ok you still handed the bills a good player very likely 

Edited October 8 by Generic_Bills_Fan