Billsflyer12 Posted October 7 Posted October 7 3 minutes ago, Sojourner said: OK. And then what happens if they get beat deep for a TD? It’s even more maniac from the fan base. You shouldn’t be in the position anyway. All 3 of Houston’s time outs should have been forced to be used. BUT. You play them over the top, only allow a short pass and hope they either don’t get down quick enough and time expires or you force them into a long FG. 59 yards is no gimme. Credit to Fairburn. They give up a TD there he’s begging for unemployment tomorrow. So in a tie game, with 7 seconds left, near midfield the best defensive plan was to play to prevent a Hail Mary with the last play of regulation? What? 1
Sojourner Posted October 7 Posted October 7 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: The big question is- Why the hell are the safeties playing the goal line when Houston only needed 5 yards... lol. McDermott will never learn from 13 seconds 12 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said: Why were Safeties playing to prevent a TD in a FG situation? 12 minutes ago, RiotAct said: extremely heads-up defending against the Hail Mary. So smart 9 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: Agree, Embarrassing stuff from both teams. Made no sense! Actually made perfect sense. They played it great IMHO. The safeties were cheating the legal contact over the top. If anyone broke free the rotate immediately. watch this video, the coverage is perfect. Just a great play by Houston due to no pass rush or pressure. FULL FINAL PLAY <<<<<<<<<< 6 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said: So in a tie game, with 7 seconds left, near midfield the best defensive plan was to play to prevent a Hail Mary with the last play of regulation? What? See link above Edited October 7 by Sojourner 1
RiotAct Posted October 7 Posted October 7 10 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said: So in a tie game, with 7 seconds left, near midfield the best defensive plan was to play to prevent a Hail Mary with the last play of regulation? What? it would appear so. I dunno how else to explain Hamlin and Bishop playing thay deep. Unless Babich and McD were just trying to keep them the hell away from the play entirely 😅 3 minutes ago, Sojourner said: They played the short pass and deep ball. What do you want a safety to do in the coverage on that video??? ???There was 7 seconds left on the clock. 1
Chugga Posted October 7 Posted October 7 There were 11 men on the field during the play. Rasul Douglas said (and it can be shown on videos) that Williams didn’t make it on the field until after the Bills broke out and there were about 10-12 seconds before the snap for him to get up to speed. Douglas didn’t think he knew the play call.
Livinginthepast Posted October 7 Author Posted October 7 Actually looking at Sojourner's point that by the time the play got off, the Bills did have 11 men on the field (it was probably late but they were there) so the SI article is exaggerated but what about the point that Douglas made that Dorian Williams didnt know what the play was? How were they not aware of what personnel were going to be out there and why was Williams late getting on? And what about the strange defensive configuration? Like they were playing a Hail Mary. They only rushed ONE MAN at Stroud! ONE!??? It was seriously one of the weirdest plays I have ever seen the Bills do on defense ever. It almost seemed like they wanted to throw the game, it was that dumb. 3 1
Sojourner Posted October 7 Posted October 7 7 minutes ago, RiotAct said: it would appear so. I dunno how else to explain Hamlin and Bishop playing thay deep. Unless Babich and McD were just trying to keep them the hell away from the play entirely 😅 ???There was 7 seconds left on the clock. dude. Watch the video or go back to the post I edited on page 1. The safeties are the only players deep incase they beat the contact trying to take away the short game. If McD loses that game to a TD instead of a FG it’s worse. Still a sh-t show but worse. I get it, I’m not making excuses. Simply pointing out that the coverage deployed at the end of the game was perfect and as good as any. It took away any TD and the short game. No pass rush was an issue. Not THE issue. 3 passes, stopping the clock and allowing Houston to have all of their time outs lost the game. Not the coverage there. I actually can give credit to McD for something successful; forcing them into a 59 yarder after the moronic choices before. Questions need answered about coaching but again, that play isn’t it. 1
Brand J Posted October 7 Posted October 7 27 minutes ago, Sojourner said: OK. And then what happens if they get beat deep for a TD? It’s even more maniac from the fan base. You shouldn’t be in the position anyway. All 3 of Houston’s time outs should have been forced to be used. BUT. You play them over the top, only allow a short pass and hope they either don’t get down quick enough and time expires or you force them into a long FG. 59 yards is no gimme. Credit to Fairburn. They give up a TD there he’s begging for unemployment tomorrow. I’ll take my chances on Houston completing a low percentage pass versus getting quick cheap yards for a closer FG. No team, NO team is thinking TD there. If it happens it’s due to a broken or extended play, all of which eats up the clock. A 60 yard FG is more likely to be completed than a singular throw for a TD in that situation. 1
Sojourner Posted October 7 Posted October 7 5 minutes ago, Brand J said: I’ll take my chances on Houston completing a low percentage pass versus getting quick cheap yards for a closer FG. No team, NO team is thinking TD there. If it happens it’s due to a broken or extended play, all of which eats up the clock. A 60 yard FG is more likely to be completed than a singular throw for a TD in that situation. You know what’s more likely? Getting to OT by running the ball 3 times instead of hoping you get deep shots with no time outs. Houston had at least 1 TO and can work anywhere on the field. The reason it gets to 2 seconds is because of the coverage lol i don’t know how anyone is finding any issue with the safeties lining up deep. No pass rush was the only things wrong there. Shouldn’t have been 1 guy and if you do, you account for the only guy blocking who was eligible. Getting hung up on that being “how we lost the game” is wild. 1
dma0034 Posted October 7 Posted October 7 I'm more annoyed they played Prevent Defense rather than only having 10 men on the field honestly. One was a mistake, one was stupidity. 1
mrags Posted October 7 Posted October 7 52 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: i think the bigger issue with the play was how deep the safeties were. I think Williams came on late, but was in good position. but Why are the safeties 25 yards down field? Because just like 13 seconds the stupid coach had a lapse in thinking and apparently thought Houston would somehow go deep when they only needed 5-10 for legit FG range. 2
NoSaint Posted October 7 Posted October 7 55 minutes ago, Chugga said: I’m trying my hardest not to beat a dead horse here but you could fill an entire newspaper with stories like these over the last 5 years. Miscommunication during absolutely critical moments. yea- there were several minutes to prepare loose contingencies of “short gain needed, fast” vs “Hail Mary” to come out of the punt unsure what’s happening is a mess. 10 guys and not playing either strategy is a pretty tremendous fail, we’ve seen a lot of those in tight games 20 minutes ago, Sojourner said: dude. Watch the video or go back to the post I edited on page 1. The safeties are the only players deep incase they beat the contact trying to take away the short game. If McD loses that game to a TD instead of a FG it’s worse. Still a sh-t show but worse. I get it, I’m not making excuses. Simply pointing out that the coverage deployed at the end of the game was perfect and as good as any. It took away any TD and the short game. No pass rush was an issue. Not THE issue. 3 passes, stopping the clock and allowing Houston to have all of their time outs lost the game. Not the coverage there. I actually can give credit to McD for something successful; forcing them into a 59 yarder after the moronic choices before. Questions need answered about coaching but again, that play isn’t it. you seem to be echoing that coaching to lose the way least upsetting to fans is the best approach it’s a terrible approach.
LabattBlue Posted October 7 Posted October 7 57 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said: So in a tie game, with 7 seconds left, near midfield the best defensive plan was to play to prevent a Hail Mary with the last play of regulation? What? Yep! 😱😱😱
MJS Posted October 7 Posted October 7 Can we change the title? It's not true. The Bills were not missing a man on that play.
Sojourner Posted October 7 Posted October 7 17 minutes ago, NoSaint said: yea- there were several minutes to prepare loose contingencies of “short gain needed, fast” vs “Hail Mary” to come out of the punt unsure what’s happening is a mess. 10 guys and not playing either strategy is a pretty tremendous fail, we’ve seen a lot of those in tight games you seem to be echoing that coaching to lose the way least upsetting to fans is the best approach it’s a terrible approach. thats your interpretation. I am pointing out that the terrible approach had been made. Houston could stop stop the clock with timeouts and can work the whole field. With the errors that essentially cost the game I can live with him making them have to take the short pass and kick a long FG than give up a TD or short FG. Nothing more. Not an excuse. Not saying he lost admirably. All I am pointing out is that isn’t where anyone should bother having an issue with the final plays of the game.
BufBills83 Posted October 7 Posted October 7 1 hour ago, Sojourner said: LMAO Sensational writing at its best. I had to rewatch this after reading that article. Totally inaccurate. Do they not think we can rewatch???? This is Williams already in the middle of the field. Bishop booking it back whilst the one judge has just placed the ball at the LOS and is still visible next to Houston’s OLine: This is everyone set and ready for 2 to 3 seconds before the ball is snapped… Safeties were deep yes but a beat of press prevents a TD, the rest take short passes taken away. Perfect coverage. Pass goes to the leak out due to no pass rush/pressure. >>>>>> FULL FINAL PLAY <<<<<<< How people are complaining about the above coverage is wild. Especially with the garbage “10 men/not ready”. That coverage, again, is perfect. The only issue anyone should have with the end of the game is not making Houston use all 3 of their time outs. Thank you for posting this. I've been wanting the Bills to implement this kind of defense at end-of-game situations like this where they rush only 1 or 2 defenders and the rest play coverage. You're not worried about the time, and they just need something short. The pass rush isn't going to get there regardless. The play call was great. They just hit the back out of the backfield to get the 5 yards, and thats all they needed. People want to complain about something and not actually research what happened. 1
uticaclub Posted October 7 Posted October 7 1 hour ago, nedboy7 said: Im just really blown away with how badly this game was managed. Are you new?
Chugga Posted October 7 Posted October 7 12 minutes ago, MJS said: Can we change the title? It's not true. The Bills were not missing a man on that play. Agreed let’s change it to… ”11 men on the field, 10 knew the play”
frostbitmic Posted October 7 Posted October 7 1 hour ago, RiotAct said: look how deep the safeties are playing. Just look. LOOK, D***IT!!! Was it 3rd and 10 ? ... That would make perfect sense
WeckMonster Posted October 7 Posted October 7 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Chugga said: Agreed let’s change it to… ”11 men on the field, 10 knew the play” 9 men defending the play. 2 participating in an entirely different game near the goal line for a reason only understood by McDermott 22 minutes ago, BufBills83 said: Thank you for posting this. I've been wanting the Bills to implement this kind of defense at end-of-game situations like this where they rush only 1 or 2 defenders and the rest play coverage. You're not worried about the time, and they just need something short. The pass rush isn't going to get there regardless. The play call was great. They just hit the back out of the backfield to get the 5 yards, and thats all they needed. People want to complain about something and not actually research what happened. So when every yard counts and giving up 5 yards basically equals a loss…. You want to play 9 on 11? Gotta go cover zero. Force a bad throw, maybe get a sack or pick Edited October 7 by WeckMonster
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