When Trubisky came in…..

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

You guys are nuts. We were lucky trubisky didn’t fumble the snap. I am not putting the ball in his hands to do anything other than hand off there. 
 

naked bootleg? Probably gets blown up, fumbles, and it’s returned for a TD. 

[BillsFan130]

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Complaining about the OC not calling more passes when our QB was 9/30 through the air is very funny to me.

I am not calling for more passes. Im calling for more passes/play action passes on 1st downs which I think objectively would benefit the  offence

 

The throws are on 2nd and long and 3rd and long because our OC runs up the gut for no gain on 1st down every time.

Which sets up obvious passing downs, which sets up Houston going to their blitz packages, which causes complete dysfunction lol

Edited October 7 by BillsFan130

[MarkyMannn]

As soon as MT came in, my group was like throw the ball, any kind of short pattern. We all expected an off tackle dive play to get stuffed and that's what it was.

 

Of course JA wasn't throwing on first and second so no shock there

Edited October 7 by MarkyMannn

[Beast]

9 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

You guys are nuts. We were lucky trubisky didn’t fumble the snap. I am not putting the ball in his hands to do anything other than hand off there. 
 

naked bootleg? Probably gets blown up, fumbles, and it’s returned for a TD. 

Then he shouldn’t be on the roster and is another indictment of McDermott and Beane.

[Freddie's Dead]

10 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

You guys are nuts. We were lucky trubisky didn’t fumble the snap. I am not putting the ball in his hands to do anything other than hand off there. 
 

naked bootleg? Probably gets blown up, fumbles, and it’s returned for a TD. 

 

You walk middle, squish like grape.

[Drew21PA]

Sadly there was just zero creativity on those plays - 3rd down play was frustrating becuase if you rewatch - their safety was wayyyyyy over the side Allen ended up rolling to. 
 

no one was on the other side where we had three receivers - no crosses - no quick slant - no pick play 

 

couldn’t believe the lack of creativity there 

[GunnerBill]

14 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

You're asking Joe Brady to throw on 1st down? That's a huge ask...

 

I 100 percent agree with you 

 

You know what is interesting to me about the first down thing? The Bills are VERY bad when passing on first down. Which is really difficult to understand. Generally first down is the most advantageous passing down to start with because defenses are trying to key in on the run. Added to that we are in game five now and the Bills have established on tape that they are primarily a run first team on first down. That SHOULD result in some really advantageous looks for the Bills to pass from on first down. Last night passing first downs the Bills were 1-7 for -7 yards. That is almost unbelievable in the circumstances. And it comes to the point to me that the passing game is struggling even on downs where they should face as easy of a time as it is possible to face. Why is that? Is it playcalls? Is it protection (I think we struggle to protect in obvious passing situations but this should not be that)? Or is it skill player separation? 

 

When I get to the film of this game later this week those seven downs are the first ones I will look at. I suspect this a symptom of the skill position deficit, but will revert when I have had the chance to study. 

 

EDIT: Just checked the Ravens game - 4 of 11 for 23 yards. This is a real problem. If we can't pass in first down beyond the odd dump off to Cook or a tight end how the hell are we supposed to pass on 3rd down when the defense is selling out to stop the pass?

[The Firebaugh Kid]

14 hours ago, Beast said:

I was hoping the 1st down was going to be some sort of safe pass that they feel confident a veteran QB like Trubisky is comfortable making. I mean, there HAS TO be something Trubisky is comfortable with when throwing the ball, right? Houston was keying the run for obvious reasons. If the Bills don’t trust him to run something safe in a situation like that, why the hell is he even on the roster? We score a TD after getting the ball at the 15 we most likely win that game.

 

Maybe this is small beans in the scheme of things but a safe pass for a completion would have probably caught Houston on their heels,

THANK YOU. Was thinking the same thing. The ENTIRE BUILDING is assuming run there.. while we wait for them to irresponsibly clear the qb they fail to protect. 

A little play action and boom, easy td. 

[Matt_In_NH]

They basically just kneeled it and took the loss of down.....which btw is what everyone wanted to see on the last possession.

Edited October 7 by Matt_In_NH

[BillsFan130]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You know what is interesting to me about the first down thing? The Bills are VERY bad when passing on first down. Which is really difficult to understand. Generally first down is the most advantageous passing down to start with because defenses are trying to key in on the run. Added to that we are in game five now and the Bills have established on tape that they are primarily a run first team on first down. That SHOULD result in some really advantageous looks for the Bills to pass from on first down. Last night passing first downs the Bills were 1-7 for -7 yards. That is almost unbelievable in the circumstances. And it comes to the point to me that the passing game is struggling even on downs where they should face as easy of a time as it is possible to face. Why is that? Is it playcalls? Is it protection (I think we struggle to protect in obvious passing situations but this should not be that)? Or is it skill player separation? 

 

When I get to the film of this game later this week those seven downs are the first ones I will look at. I suspect this a symptom of the skill position deficit, but will revert when I have had the chance to study. 

 

EDIT: Just checked the Ravens game - 4 of 11 for 23 yards. This is a real problem. If we can't pass in first down beyond the odd dump off to Cook or a tight end how the hell are we supposed to pass on 3rd down when the defense is selling out to stop the pass?

Hmm- that is definitely very interesting. I appreciate you bringing up those statistics.

 

But ya i agree- It's crazy that they struggle on 1st down especially when Josh Allen is historically a great play action passer. (I'm assuming a lot of the passes are play action on 1st down)

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You know what is interesting to me about the first down thing? The Bills are VERY bad when passing on first down. Which is really difficult to understand. Generally first down is the most advantageous passing down to start with because defenses are trying to key in on the run. Added to that we are in game five now and the Bills have established on tape that they are primarily a run first team on first down. That SHOULD result in some really advantageous looks for the Bills to pass from on first down. Last night passing first downs the Bills were 1-7 for -7 yards. That is almost unbelievable in the circumstances. And it comes to the point to me that the passing game is struggling even on downs where they should face as easy of a time as it is possible to face. Why is that? Is it playcalls? Is it protection (I think we struggle to protect in obvious passing situations but this should not be that)? Or is it skill player separation? 

 

When I get to the film of this game later this week those seven downs are the first ones I will look at. I suspect this a symptom of the skill position deficit, but will revert when I have had the chance to study. 

 

EDIT: Just checked the Ravens game - 4 of 11 for 23 yards. This is a real problem. If we can't pass in first down beyond the odd dump off to Cook or a tight end how the hell are we supposed to pass on 3rd down when the defense is selling out to stop the pass?

I am assuming its because on 1st down you have a traditional front 7 and defenders in the box muddying the middle.

 

Another stat I heard….we didn’t have a completed pass in the 4th quarter.  Is that correct?

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I am assuming its because on 1st down you have a traditional front 7 and defenders in the box muddying the middle.

 

Another stat I heard….we didn’t have a completed pass in the 4th quarter.  Is that correct?

Correct — their final completion came with 4:20 left in the third.

 

After the Coleman TD, their RBs ran it 7 times for 16 yards. On their final six runs, they accumulated 5 yards. Cook had an 11-yard gain in the third quarter to start their first possession after the TD. Maybe that’s why they passed on their final possession — because their running game had been completely figured out.

Edited October 7 by dave mcbride

[bills742]

14 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Darn old went out in the Vikings game and they brought in Mullens who immediately threw for a first down. 

For some context, Mullens came in on a third and long so they practically had to throw. I'm not saying the Bills would do the same with Mitch though in that same scenario.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, bills742 said:

For some context, Mullens came in on a third and long so they practically had to throw. I'm not saying the Bills would do the same with Mitch though in that same scenario.

Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t want Mitch to throw, but it sounded like someone was saying that teams just don’t do it. When they actually do. (I also got a good giggle out of how the phone autocorrected Darnold into Darn old. 😂)

[BuffaloRebound]

11 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

You guys are nuts. We were lucky trubisky didn’t fumble the snap. I am not putting the ball in his hands to do anything other than hand off there. 
 

naked bootleg? Probably gets blown up, fumbles, and it’s returned for a TD. 

Completely agree.  Trubisky is terrible.  Asking him to do anything there except hand off would’ve only added to the idiotic coaching decisions down the stretch.  I would’ve called timeout.  Then if Josh still wasn’t ready, I’m running wildcat with Cook for 3 possibly 4 plays.  

[GunnerBill]

33 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I am assuming its because on 1st down you have a traditional front 7 and defenders in the box muddying the middle.

 

Another stat I heard….we didn’t have a completed pass in the 4th quarter.  Is that correct?

 

Yep. And teams are going to stick with that. They know if you cede the middle to the Bills they can move the ball. They are daring us to beat them outside and entirely predictably we are struggling to do it. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

Then he shouldn’t be on the roster and is another indictment of McDermott and Beane.

he shouldn’t be on the roster. He shouldn’t be in the NFL. 

[Ned Flanders]

13 hours ago, Chaos said:

the correct call was "time out".  Allen was out of the tent with his helmet in his hand before the play was run. 

This is the correct answer...Josh was ready to come in.  They should have burned a timeout rather than waste a play in the red zone. 

[Livinginthepast]

Bringing Trubisky back is one of the strangest decisions this regime has made.  He proved himself completely incapable in his chance at redemption in Pittsburgh. So what is his purpose here? Get someone who could be viable if Josh gets injured. And the way its going so far, Josh is getting rocked with hits, game in and game out.

[Jerome007]

Trubinsky is a good runner. So naked bootleg is an option for sure with him. Use misdirection with WR in motion and let him either hand off to the guy in motion, up the gut to the RB or keep it and run the other way. He has way enough real game experience to read defenses and make THAT kind of play!