Richard Noggin Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 Feels like the GB Halloween game two years ago. Many thought Allen got concussed in that game (end of first half right?) but avoided concussion protocol. His play certainly cratered suddenly in the 2nd half and lingered there for at least a couple weeks after (losses to NYJ and MIN)...we all know there were likely contributing domestic distractions "beginning" the night before that GB game, but there was much chatter about Allen getting his bell rung that night, much like the last two weeks. Are we so much better than the Dolphins with how we allow Allen to take damage and keep playing? Is the NFL for that matter SO BLIND as to allow some of the hits the Ravens especially targeted upon Allen without punishment of any kind? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 7 hours ago, Savage said: Perhaps, but it’s not hard to see when someone is knocked out cold. People who are knocked out cold do not kick their feet up and down to the best of my knowledge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 "How was Josh able to finish the game with a concussion?" Because he's F'ing Superman, that's how! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 13 hours ago, Malazan said: So the NFLPA, ie the player's union who sued the league over concussions, is in on it too? The independent neurologists are hired by both NFL and NFLPA. what does that have to do with my post? 11 hours ago, Rew said: https://www.nfl.com/playerhealthandsafety/health-and-wellness/player-care/concussion-protocol-return-to-participation-protocol The blue tent sideline evaluation includes both team staff and independent (UNC) required to clear them for play. where is "handing smelling salts to impacted player" on that checklist? Also, as I aid before, there's no way a neurologist can do such a a complete assessment as required above in 4 minutes or less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 I have rewatched the game and the whole thing really just gives off second half of GB vibes and it took Allen weeks to get his groove back. There were a couple of posters that were surprised that Allen wasn't evaluated for a concussion late in the Ravens game after the trick play and he smashed his head and his shoulder. Totally unqualified conjecture, but I wonder if he rattled his bell there and this is what you get when you spend the week after a concussion exercising, watching film, and studying the playbook? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 15 hours ago, Malazan said: So the NFLPA, ie the player's union who sued the league over concussions, is in on it too? The independent neurologists are hired by both NFL and NFLPA. Nobody is IN on anything. there’s no way he could have assessed properly in that shot a time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 (edited) 20 hours ago, Savage said: The NFL doesn’t care. it’s all about the $$$$. That's not even the argument you think it is. Josh missing a few plays at the end of a 1PM game doesn't cost the NFL any $$$$. Josh having his career cut short because of untreated concussions, that does cost the NFL - and the BILLS!!!! - money. You think the Dolphins have gotten great TV ratings of late? I sure hope the BILLS do what's right by Josh and really make sure he is OK to play. Yeah a GM and HC can be fired if they lose too much, but much of the Bills brass and certainly the owners want their star players performing as long as possible. Not win at any cost a regular season game. On that replay shown on this plage, it's like what those at the game saw: Josh is moving his feet from the pain from the get go. He is not out. Now, that doesn't mean he hasn't got a concussion but no I don't think he was out cold. Edited October 10 by Jerome007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 2 hours ago, Savage said: Nobody is IN on anything. there’s no way he could have assessed properly in that shot a time. The neurologist approved and hired by NFLPA believes they can so can you educate me on why they're wrong? I assume you've done your own research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 (edited) I want to address how this will impact the Bills and Allen moving forward, especially Monday night and in the next few games. No one on these boards knows with certainty whether Allen was concussed or if he was knocked unconscious. We can speculate and we all have our opinions on the likelihood of each, but he passed the tests (such as they are) and went back into the game. But here’s the thing: It looked bad. Like really bad. And it got a fair bit of bad press. And we all saw how a very similar situation with Tua played out on the field and in the media. I will confidently say that the league does not want a repeat of that PR nightmare. So if Allen bounces his head off the turf again - especially with so many watching on MNF - don’t expect him to be allowed back in the game. It’ll be Trubiaky Time (shudder). The refs will hopefully get the memo and protect the heck out of him (and old man Rodgers too), but the Jets will be going after him. It’s up to the coaches, his teammates and, most of all, Allen himself to keep him safe and sound. I, for one, will not be complaining about the Bills running the ball too much or Allen throwing it away to preserve his health. Edited October 10 by BarleyNY 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 On 10/7/2024 at 11:28 PM, Simon said: It's entirely possible that McDermott did not know that Allen was out for a couple seconds. That is true, but are You telling me that nobody upstairs saw what I saw? Are you saying they withheld that information from the head coach? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: I want to address how this will impact the Bills and Allen moving forward, especially Monday night and in the next few games. No one on these boards knows with certainty whether Allen was concussed or if he was knocked unconscious. We can speculate and we all have our opinions on the likelihood of each, but he passed the tests (such as they are) and went back into the game. But here’s the thing: It looked bad. Like really bad. And it got a fair bit of bad press. And we all saw how a very similar situation with Tua played out on the field and in the media. I will confidently say that the league does not want a repeat of that PR nightmare. So if Allen bounces his head off the turf again - especially with so many watching on MNF - don’t expect him to be allowed back in the game. It’ll be Trubiaky Time (shudder). The refs will hopefully get the memo and protect the heck out of him (and old man Rodgers too), but the Jets will be going after him. It’s up to the coaches, his teammates and, most of all, Allen himself to keep him safe and sound. I, for one, will not be complaining about the Bills running the ball too much or Allen throwing it away to preserve his health. This one game does not supersede risking our franchise quarterback's long term health. What the incident with Josh hitting his head on the turf this past Sunday tells me is that the concussion protocol is a joke. Another thing that I've noticed lately is that the refs are allowing some hits on Josh that would be a penalty if they happened to Mahomes and other quarterbacks. Are they protecting quarterbacks or not? Is josh being held to a lower standard because he can run? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 17 hours ago, Jauronimo said: People who are knocked out cold do not kick their feet up and down to the best of my knowledge. Great post I think his head did hit hard but maybe was selling a high hit but him kicking his feet is more frustration or pain then concussed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 2 hours ago, BarleyNY said: I want to address how this will impact the Bills and Allen moving forward, especially Monday night and in the next few games. No one on these boards knows with certainty whether Allen was concussed or if he was knocked unconscious. We can speculate and we all have our opinions on the likelihood of each, but he passed the tests (such as they are) and went back into the game. But here’s the thing: It looked bad. Like really bad. And it got a fair bit of bad press. And we all saw how a very similar situation with Tua played out on the field and in the media. I will confidently say that the league does not want a repeat of that PR nightmare. So if Allen bounces his head off the turf again - especially with so many watching on MNF - don’t expect him to be allowed back in the game. It’ll be Trubiaky Time (shudder). The refs will hopefully get the memo and protect the heck out of him (and old man Rodgers too), but the Jets will be going after him. It’s up to the coaches, his teammates and, most of all, Allen himself to keep him safe and sound. I, for one, will not be complaining about the Bills running the ball too much or Allen throwing it away to preserve his health. It won't impact anything. The Jets will go hard after Josh and try and hit him late like they always have. If they go for his head his teammates will pummel whoever tries and Rodgers will be a dead man. And sure a lot was made of the incident because people believe he got knocked out based on a clip that doesn't show everything. Meanwhile fans at the game said he was moving the entire time, the training staff surely would have known he was unconscious and had him pulled from the game, he got up and went to the sidelines under his own power and completely normally, got cleared to return, waved off the smelling salts and then did a post game presser without any signs of a concussion. And again the notion that the Bills somehow don't care about Josh but do care about someone like, say,Taylor Rapp is probably the most interesting belief in this whole thing. I'm not sure why mistakes made by other teams means the Bills are suddenly just as dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rew Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: what does that have to do with my post? where is "handing smelling salts to impacted player" on that checklist? Also, as I aid before, there's no way a neurologist can do such a a complete assessment as required above in 4 minutes or less. Dude, sometimes it reads like you are being difficult for the sake of being difficult. Your original comment was "he was evaluated by an independent neurologist?? when?". Your questions were answered by 2 different people with the same data backed response. There is a well defined process that includes an independent neurologist. You can say you think it's an inadequate evaluation, but you really believe he wasn't independently evaluated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Spencer Brown is going to get Josh killed. It’s time to get him out of there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 10 hours ago, Rew said: Dude, sometimes it reads like you are being difficult for the sake of being difficult. Your original comment was "he was evaluated by an independent neurologist?? when?". Your questions were answered by 2 different people with the same data backed response. There is a well defined process that includes an independent neurologist. You can say you think it's an inadequate evaluation, but you really believe he wasn't independently evaluated? we all know the published process, my point isn't hard to understand...dude. what i have said twice is that no one could do a proper neuro e v a l (per their own protocol) in 4 minutes or less, no matter how many neurologists were in that tent. An "independent" neurologist could not credibly do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: we all know the published process, my point isn't hard to understand...dude. what i have said twice is that no one could do a proper neuro e v a l (per their own protocol) in 4 minutes or less, no matter how many neurologists were in that tent. An "independent" neurologist could not credibly do so. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41740543/nfl-nflpa-bills-allen-was-properly-evaluated-concussion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 2 minutes ago, Malazan said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41740543/nfl-nflpa-bills-allen-was-properly-evaluated-concussion No surprise. The Bills aren't/weren't going to risk Josh's health. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 He whacked his head hard. Was it enough to "officially" be a concussion. I don't know and I can't see how any one of us fans can. Boxers take shots to the head and get dazed all the time. Every one of those hits are not a concussion. I do know that I don't want to see him get whacked again this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 22 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: He whacked his head hard. Was it enough to "officially" be a concussion. I don't know and I can't see how any one of us fans can. Boxers take shots to the head and get dazed all the time. Every one of those hits are not a concussion. I do know that I don't want to see him get whacked again this week. No matter where you fall on the "did he suffer a concussion or not," we all agree with the bolded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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