How was Josh able to finish the game with a concussion?

[Royale with Cheese]

14 hours ago, Governor said:

What does a concussed person sound like? Do you turn into Sloth from Goonies?

 

Have you ever been around a concussed person?

[pi2000]

I believe in my heart of hearts he suffered a concussion vs Baltimore and again vs Houston.    The way his left arm folded up when he went down... if we was on his back might have gone full Tua, who knows... but I believe he was knocked unconscious, which should've kept him out of the game.

 

That said he's a farm boy...  he's never going to admit to suffering any concussion symptoms.     He is who he is, and we love that about him, but I pray to baby jesus it doesn't shorten his career.  

 

[Just Jack]

14 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

I got knocked out once when I was bird watching in a tree and then I fell out and my future father in law hit me with his car

 

Is your name Calvin Klien?  

[2003Contenders]

Concussions are so difficult to diagnose.

 

When I saw Josh's head bounce off the turf I thought for sure that he was concussed. Afterwards he claimed it was a chest injury and then a bum ankle. That seems fishy, I know.

 

He walked over to the sidelines and the trainers were looking at him -- and he appeared to be fine. After a few minutes they put up the blue tent and escorted him inside. My suspicion is that he told the trainers he was fine -- but the independent neurologist radioed down (after reviewing the replay of him hitting his head) and insisted on a concussion evaluation. Whatever happened in that tent was enough to convince the decision-makers that he was good to go.

 

Was he really concussed? Possibly. But he appeared to have been coherent enough to answer the questions that were asked of him and did not articulate any concussion-type symptoms. At that point, what are the doctors and training staff supposed to do? I suppose you could argue that the medical folks should have sat him for the rest of the game for his own good, even if he truly exhibited no signs of a concussion. That could be a slippery slope.

 

I remember Hines Ward admitted after his career was over that in one game he received a blow to his head, knew he was concussed but had the wherewith-all to know that a perceived head injury would immediately pull him out for the remainder of the game and possibly future games too.  So he grabbed his knee and pretended that the injury was really to his knee. After the training staff cleared his knee (and missing just a few plays), in his mind the "cobwebs" were gone, so he hustled back into the game. Guys like Ward and Allen are competitive guys that desperately want to play -- but they are/were also young athletes with no worries about what their later years may be like.

 

The policies in place are intended to protect the players from both the potential for an uncaring organization -- and even more importantly from themselves. I sincerely hope that this situation with Josh was not a Hines Ward type of situation. Like I said, that head-to-the-turf looked bad, and I am sincerely hoping that Josh simply got lucky there and avoided a concussion.

[papazoid]

20 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said:

Concussions are so difficult to diagnose.

 

When I saw Josh's head bounce off the turf I thought for sure that he was concussed. Afterwards he claimed it was a chest injury and then a bum ankle. That seems fishy, I know.

 

He walked over to the sidelines and the trainers were looking at him -- and he appeared to be fine. After a few minutes they put up the blue tent and escorted him inside. My suspicion is that he told the trainers he was fine -- but the independent neurologist radioed down (after reviewing the replay of him hitting his head) and insisted on a concussion evaluation. Whatever happened in that tent was enough to convince the decision-makers that he was good to go.

 

Was he really concussed? Possibly. But he appeared to have been coherent enough to answer the questions that were asked of him and did not articulate any concussion-type symptoms. At that point, what are the doctors and training staff supposed to do? I suppose you could argue that the medical folks should have sat him for the rest of the game for his own good, even if he truly exhibited no signs of a concussion. That could be a slippery slope.

 

I remember Hines Ward admitted after his career was over that in one game he received a blow to his head, knew he was concussed but had the wherewith-all to know that a perceived head injury would immediately pull him out for the remainder of the game and possibly future games too.  So he grabbed his knee and pretended that the injury was really to his knee. After the training staff cleared his knee (and missing just a few plays), in his mind the "cobwebs" were gone, so he hustled back into the game. Guys like Ward and Allen are competitive guys that desperately want to play -- but they are/were also young athletes with no worries about what their later years may be like.

 

The policies in place are intended to protect the players from both the potential for an uncaring organization -- and even more importantly from themselves. I sincerely hope that this situation with Josh was not a Hines Ward type of situation. Like I said, that head-to-the-turf looked bad, and I am sincerely hoping that Josh simply got lucky there and avoided a concussion.

 

 

boom...well said

[Casey D]

The problem is the complete lack of trust of people in everything.  No one here has any idea as to Allen's condition.  Many assume that safety protocols are just ignored and nobody cares about player safety-- everything is a conspiracy.  Not saying I know what happened, but frankly people will say or believe most anything if it suits their preconceived ideas.  Like all those people waiting for JFK Jr. to show up in Dallas over 20 years after he died.  Sad state of affairs.

[Big Turk]

On 10/8/2024 at 9:20 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

he was evaluated by an independent neurologist??  when?

 

 

addition by subtraction.

 

You realize that the NFL has independent neurologists at every game that has to clear players to go back into games if they are deemed to have potential concussions correct?

 

An independent neurologist can play a role in a concussion protocol by evaluating a player's condition and determining if they are cleared to return to play. Here are some steps in the concussion protocol: 

 

Sideline: The player is removed from the game to prevent further injury. 

 

Neurological exam: The player is examined by an independent neurotrauma consultant. The consultant will review the player's medical history, perform a physical and neurological exam, and review video of the injury. 

 

Return to play: If the consultant agrees with the club physician that the player's concussion has been resolved, the player can return to practice and contact without restriction. 

[Mr. WEO]

18 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

You realize that the NFL has independent neurologists at every game that has to clear players to go back into games if they are deemed to have potential concussions correct?

 

An independent neurologist can play a role in a concussion protocol by evaluating a player's condition and determining if they are cleared to return to play. Here are some steps in the concussion protocol: 

 

Sideline: The player is removed from the game to prevent further injury. 

 

Neurological exam: The player is examined by an independent neurotrauma consultant. The consultant will review the player's medical history, perform a physical and neurological exam, and review video of the injury. 

 

Return to play: If the consultant agrees with the club physician that the player's concussion has been resolved, the player can return to practice and contact without restriction. 

 

given the fact that Josh came back very quickly (4 minutes for the whole tent exam!) and that the team was having him  say he didn't have any evidence of concussion (it's a "chest or ankle"), it's certainly not clear that he was examined personally by an independent neurologist.  There is simply no way he could have gotten a proper neuro exam in that short of a time.  They were handing him smelling salts---not part of a concussion assessment......

 

 

[Savage]

On 10/6/2024 at 5:26 PM, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

It was pretty clear that when his head hit the ground on the sack he got a concussion. 

 

It's the NFLs concussion protocol a joke ?

The NFL doesn’t care.

it’s all about the $$$$.

 

[YoloinOhio]

On 10/6/2024 at 5:36 PM, Dr.Sack said:

He got a micro concussion. Saw stars. Got smelling salts and got to go back in. That’s a mild injury. 

He did get smelling salts but he gets them a lot 

 

 

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He did get smelling salts but he gets them a lot 

 

 

So...still not concussed.  👍

[Pete]

On 10/6/2024 at 5:26 PM, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

 

 

How was Josh able to finish the game with a concussion?

Slander.

 

 Conjecture presented as fact.

 

Josh had the wind knocked out of him. 

[Savage]

On 10/8/2024 at 2:52 PM, 2003Contenders said:

Concussions are so difficult to diagnose.

 

When I saw Josh's head bounce off the turf I thought for sure that he was concussed. Afterwards he claimed it was a chest injury and then a bum ankle. That seems fishy, I know.

 

He walked over to the sidelines and the trainers were looking at him -- and he appeared to be fine. After a few minutes they put up the blue tent and escorted him inside. My suspicion is that he told the trainers he was fine -- but the independent neurologist radioed down (after reviewing the replay of him hitting his head) and insisted on a concussion evaluation. Whatever happened in that tent was enough to convince the decision-makers that he was good to go.

 

Was he really concussed? Possibly. But he appeared to have been coherent enough to answer the questions that were asked of him and did not articulate any concussion-type symptoms. At that point, what are the doctors and training staff supposed to do? I suppose you could argue that the medical folks should have sat him for the rest of the game for his own good, even if he truly exhibited no signs of a concussion. That could be a slippery slope.

 

I remember Hines Ward admitted after his career was over that in one game he received a blow to his head, knew he was concussed but had the wherewith-all to know that a perceived head injury would immediately pull him out for the remainder of the game and possibly future games too.  So he grabbed his knee and pretended that the injury was really to his knee. After the training staff cleared his knee (and missing just a few plays), in his mind the "cobwebs" were gone, so he hustled back into the game. Guys like Ward and Allen are competitive guys that desperately want to play -- but they are/were also young athletes with no worries about what their later years may be like.

 

The policies in place are intended to protect the players from both the potential for an uncaring organization -- and even more importantly from themselves. I sincerely hope that this situation with Josh was not a Hines Ward type of situation. Like I said, that head-to-the-turf looked bad, and I am sincerely hoping that Josh simply got lucky there and avoided a concussion.

Perhaps,

 

but it’s not hard to see when someone is knocked out cold.

 

 

[RoscoeParrish]

This quote does very little to uncloud the issue imo.

[TheWei44]

10 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

This quote does very little to uncloud the issue imo.

He has every right not to share the details of his health with the world.

Edited October 9 by TheWei44

[RiotAct]

16 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

This quote does very little to uncloud the issue imo.

he threatened the neurologist with extreme physical violence is how I read that.

[Malazan]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

given the fact that Josh came back very quickly (4 minutes for the whole tent exam!) and that the team was having him  say he didn't have any evidence of concussion (it's a "chest or ankle"), it's certainly not clear that he was examined personally by an independent neurologist.  There is simply no way he could have gotten a proper neuro exam in that short of a time.  They were handing him smelling salts---not part of a concussion assessment......

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Savage said:

The NFL doesn’t care.

it’s all about the $$$$.

 

 

So the NFLPA, ie the player's union who sued the league over concussions, is in on it too? The independent neurologists are hired by both NFL and NFLPA.

Edited October 9 by Malazan

[MJS]

On 10/8/2024 at 1:34 PM, pi2000 said:

I believe in my heart of hearts he suffered a concussion vs Baltimore and again vs Houston.    The way his left arm folded up when he went down... if we was on his back might have gone full Tua, who knows... but I believe he was knocked unconscious, which should've kept him out of the game.

 

That said he's a farm boy...  he's never going to admit to suffering any concussion symptoms.     He is who he is, and we love that about him, but I pray to baby jesus it doesn't shorten his career.  

Yeah, well, it has nothing to do with belief. Either he did or didn't, and nobody here has the ability to make that call.

[Rew]

On 10/8/2024 at 9:20 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

he was evaluated by an independent neurologist??  when?

https://www.nfl.com/playerhealthandsafety/health-and-wellness/player-care/concussion-protocol-return-to-participation-protocol

 

The blue tent sideline evaluation includes both team staff and independent (UNC) required to clear them for play. 

[Don Otreply]

Lots of players, QBs included get concussions during games over a season and continue to play, and it is rarely talked about, it’s been going on since football, is it a good thing? Likely no, but it is what it is, and should surprise no one. 
 

GO BILLS!!!