butch rolle Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago I know there are bigger issues to talk about from this game than kickers but hear me out... When was the last time an opposing kicker missed one at the end of the game? Didn't most of you feel that the 59 yarder was almost a foregone conclusion? It was reminiscent of last year when the Bills had the Eagles dead to rights when Jake Elliot banged a 59 yarder into a driving rain to send the game into overtime. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Helmet of Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago Just now, butch rolle said: I know there are bigger issues to talk about from this game than kickers but hear me out... When was the last time an opposing kicker missed one at the end of the game? Didn't most of you feel that the 59 yarder was almost a foregone conclusion? It was reminiscent of last year when the Bills had the Eagles dead to rights when Jake Elliot banged a 59 yarder into a driving rain to send the game into overtime. Anything under 70 yards is automatic for most kickers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Maybe *you* should do some research, bud. Does anyone really believe Allen is this bad or maybe he just has a trash group of receivers that cannot create separation, I pick the later 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Does anyone really believe Allen is this bad or maybe he just has a trash group of receivers that cannot create separation, I pick the later I mean he’s had worse wrs and played better than he did today so…..Lot of blame to go around. I mean he had Kincaid open deep and underthrew it, and could have made a better throw on the deep throw to Hollins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Does anyone really believe Allen is this bad or maybe he just has a trash group of receivers that cannot create separation, I pick the later He’s not that bad, but he’s streaky and has things he could improve. He needs to take ownership of the offense, that’s what he’s paid to do and should be doing at the highest level at this point in his career. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butch rolle Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 1 minute ago, bouds said: I mean he’s had worse wrs and played better than he did today so…..Lot of blame to go around. I mean he had Kincaid open deep and underthrew it, and could have made a better throw on the deep throw to Hollins. Allen definitely was forcing the issue with trying to stretch the field. That being said, the deep pass to Hollins seemed to be spot on. Hollins appeared to lose track of the ball or pull up for some inexplicable reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Does anyone really believe Allen is this bad or maybe he just has a trash group of receivers that cannot create separation, I pick the later Today was both. Josh was off, but ya it's definitely an issue with the receivers not creating separation. Im the biggest Josh supporter, but he missed some passes he usually makes in his sleep today 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 4 minutes ago, bouds said: I mean he’s had worse wrs and played better than he did today so…..Lot of blame to go around. I mean he had Kincaid open deep and underthrew it, and could have made a better throw on the deep throw to Hollins. Has he had worse WRs? I think today's star studded WR lineup is probably the same as the Kelvin Benjamin, Andre Holmes, Charles Clay days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 11 minutes ago, DapperCam said: Has he had worse WRs? I think today's star studded WR lineup is probably the same as the Kelvin Benjamin, Andre Holmes, Charles Clay days. Don't forget Zay Jones, lol. I mean at this point I think this group is a little better than that one, but man, we are in bad shape if we're comparing this group to that group. Remember when this front office traded for Matthews? Jesus they can't scout WR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 7 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: I guess you could have bled the timeouts but then we would be hearing about conservative coaching. Yeah I thought we didn't like Coach McDermott cuz he's too conservative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 34 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Does anyone really believe Allen is this bad or maybe he just has a trash group of receivers that cannot create separation, I pick the later Today it was both. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDiehard Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago Just watched McDermott's press conference, not very inspiring! He's a good not great coach that makes way too many coaching errors at this stage in his coaching career. So frustrating at how many opportunities have been squandered.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 7 hours ago, The Wiz said: With a bunch of guys that should be bagging groceries. Reminds me of 2018. Reminds me of the guys we used to trot out in the Coach Gailey era. Donald Jones, Stevie Johnson, Roscoe Parrish, TJ Graham, etc 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago Pretty much all I've been thinking after these last two games, but especially after today's game, is that it sure seems like that Josh is feeling the "I have to do this all myself" sort of thing again. And nothing good will come from that. I don't know if we need better coaching, a better member of the O-line, or a true WR1, but we sure as hell need something and we need it soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 12 minutes ago, BillsDiehard said: Just watched McDermott's press conference, not very inspiring! He's a good not great coach that makes way too many coaching errors at this stage in his coaching career. So frustrating at how many opportunities have been squandered.... He’s a good football coach no doubt but a horrible game day coach. He’s blown too many games with stupid stupid decisions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 15 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Reminds me of the guys we used to trot out in the Coach Gailey era. Donald Jones, Stevie Johnson, Roscoe Parrish, TJ Graham, etc Stevie could get separation. Very well. The rest of the group? Oooof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishitwerecolder Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago Did Allen play bad today? Yes. Does it help we had Stevie wonder at head coach today. No. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said: Pretty much all I've been thinking after these last two games, but especially after today's game, is that it sure seems like that Josh is feeling the "I have to do this all myself" sort of thing again. And nothing good will come from that. I don't know if we need better coaching, a better member of the O-line, or a true WR1, but we sure as hell need something and we need it soon. We need a #1 WR most desperately. Shakir is a very good #3 slot guy that could be an ok #2. Coleman can make some plays. The rest are non factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago (edited) 6 minutes ago, iwishitwerecolder said: Did Allen play bad today? Yes. Does it help we had Stevie wonder at head coach today. No. It feels like Allen is hesitating because he can’t trust the guys out there, and he isn’t wrong, they are almost all WR6 on other teams. Coleman and Shakir are the only exceptions, and Coleman is too new to be relied on and Shakir is a high end slot WR. Edited 20 hours ago by Bruffalo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Bruffalo said: It feels like Allen is hesitating because he can’t trust the guys out there, and he isn’t wrong, they are almost all WR6 on other teams. Coleman and Shakir are the only exceptions, and Coleman is too new to be relied on and Shakir is a high end slot WR. Shakir is very good. We still need an outside receiver though. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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