Special K Posted October 4 Posted October 4 (edited) I was really expecting OCT to take that next step this year and elevate his game. He played terrible vs the Ravens and Cardinals, and average vs the Fins and Jags. I'm no o-line expert, and I haven't written him off by any means, but it looks like it will take a little longer for him to become the dominant RG I believe he can be. Thoughts?? Edited October 4 by Special K 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 4 Posted October 4 (edited) He has taken a step. In the wrong direction sadly. I thought he played pretty well in Miami, but the other 3 games have been a real struggle. Edited October 4 by GunnerBill 1 Quote
The Jokeman Posted October 4 Posted October 4 (edited) 11 hours ago, Special K said: I was really expecting OCT to take that next step this year and elevate his game. He played terrible vs the Ravens and Cardinals, and average vs the Fins and Jags. I'm no online expert, and I haven't written him off by any means, but it looks like it will take a little longer for him to become the dominant RG I believe he can be. Thoughts?? Sophomore slump or because he exceeded expectations last season maybe we thought more highly of him than should. Or Morse helped him more than we saw. Either way I agree he's been a disappointment thus far. Edited October 4 by The Jokeman 3 Quote
Conlan58 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 (edited) This is like people pissing and moaning about Spencer Brown all over again. Hasn't this coaching staff shown they put the best 5 out there, and give them live reps to learn and grow on the fly? Let me guess, you think the rookie 5th rounder should get a look? God help this place if we lose to the texans... Edited October 4 by Conlan58 8 2 2 2 1 2 Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 4 Posted October 4 5 minutes ago, Conlan58 said: This is like people pissing and moaning about Spencer Brown all over again. Hasn't this coaching staff shown they put the best 5 out there, and give them live reps to learn and grow on the fly? Let me guess, you think the rookie 5th rounder should get a look? God help this place if we lose to the texans... Not speaking for others, but I'm not arguing to bench him. Not yet at least. I'd still give him the chance to work through the issues but in terms of the first quarter of the season he has been without question our worst offensive starter. It isn't bashing him to say that it is just an honest and objective analysis of what is on tape. 4 4 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 4 Posted October 4 I think the loss of a steady and experienced center like Mitch Morse is a factor here as well. 8 Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 4 Posted October 4 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I think the loss of a steady and experienced center like Mitch Morse is a factor here as well. Possibly but some of the issues he is having showed up on tape late last year too. He has a particular weakness to speed rushers attacking his inside shoulder. I was really hoping Kromer would help him mitigate that somewhat / find some coping techniques during the offseason but so far it sustains. I think that is why his best 6 NFL games were his first six. Once teams saw that weakness and began increasingly to target it he has started to struggle. I think there is possibly a confidence concern right now as well. But fundamentally if you wanna have a brawl with Cybo he will brawl you and hold his own. If you can win before it becomes a brawl he is in trouble. EDIT: should say the issues v Baltimore might be more Morse related because the Bills were beaten mentally more than physically. The Ravens confused them and they were struggling to work out who was coming and pass off rushers. Edited October 4 by GunnerBill 5 Quote
mrags Posted October 4 Posted October 4 I think this is more of a case that they miss Morse at C. He surely helped OCT much more than McGovern. I like McGovern, but would have preferred he stayed at LG. Would have at least had 4 starters return at the same positions from last year. Instead, now you only have 3 starters returning at the same positions. And yes, I would have pushed for SVPG at starting C. Make him room with Josh, eat every meal of the day with Josh. Become best friends with him all summer long until you knew the 2 of them were on the same page. 1 Quote
djp14150 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 He could be not playing at 109% this year he does not have Morse next to him. maybe they made changes in OL play that puts him in difficult places 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted October 4 Posted October 4 5 hours ago, Special K said: I was really expecting OCT to take that next step this year and elevate his game. He played terrible vs the Ravens and Cardinals, and average vs the Fins and Jags. I'm no online expert, and I haven't written him off by any means, but it looks like it will take a little longer for him to become the dominant RG I believe he can be. Thoughts?? I was going to post something on this, thanks for doing it. He has clearly regressed. I think maybe he felt he had "arrived" already at the end of last year and didn't put in the work this offseason. But his regression is very clear. And maybe a benching will wake his ass up. I wanted this guy in the 1st round last year and was thrilled when we got him in the 2nd. Maybe other teams saw or heard something on him we didn't. 1 Quote
BillsPride12 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Sophomore slump but too early to write him off. He should be fine Remember how we all felt about Spencer Brown in his 2nd year? 2 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 4 Posted October 4 (edited) 26 minutes ago, mrags said: I think this is more of a case that they miss Morse at C. He surely helped OCT much more than McGovern. I like McGovern, but would have preferred he stayed at LG. Would have at least had 4 starters return at the same positions from last year. Instead, now you only have 3 starters returning at the same positions. And yes, I would have pushed for SVPG at starting C. Make him room with Josh, eat every meal of the day with Josh. Become best friends with him all summer long until you knew the 2 of them were on the same page. At this moment in time there is zero evidence that SVPG at center would be a better option than McGovern at center and Edwards at guard. Yes they struggled vs Baltimore but the other three games that duo has been excellent. And SVPG isn't even their second string at center. Anderson is. Edited October 4 by GunnerBill 1 Quote
Bray Wyatt Posted October 4 Posted October 4 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: At this moment in time there is zero evidence that SVPG at center would be a better option than McGovern at center and Edwards at guard. Yes they struggled vs Baltimore but the other three games that duo has been excellent. And SVPG isn't even their second string at center. Anderson is. Do you think possibly we put Anderson in, in place of OCT at some point? Quote
mrags Posted October 4 Posted October 4 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: At this moment in time there is zero evidence that SVPG at center would be a better option than McGovern at center and Edwards at guard. Yes they struggled vs Baltimore but the other three games that duo has been excellent. And SVPG isn't even their second string at center. Anderson is. Besides my original point. The point is you could have returned 4 of the 5 starting OL from last year instead of messing around with it. Just put in the guy you hope to be the future center moving forward. Of that’s not VPG, then Anderson. Or maybe they should have invested more highly position in the offseason. Either way, they were all solid last year and you shouldn’t have messed with that. Edwards is absolute trash. 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 4 Posted October 4 1 minute ago, mrags said: Besides my original point. The point is you could have returned 4 of the 5 starting OL from last year instead of messing around with it. Just put in the guy you hope to be the future center moving forward. Of that’s not VPG, then Anderson. Or maybe they should have invested more highly position in the offseason. Either way, they were all solid last year and you shouldn’t have messed with that. Edwards is absolute trash. That is just flat out wrong. 4 1 Quote
thenorthremembers Posted October 4 Posted October 4 He's 21 games into his career. I'd let the rest of the year play out before I bothered analyzing whether he has taken a step forward or back. He is playing next to a new center which could impact his development a bit as well. Give it a little time. Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 4 Posted October 4 3 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: Do you think possibly we put Anderson in, in place of OCT at some point? Possibly, sure. I think they will give Cybo a fair amount of leeway before they make that decision though. As others have said they let Brown play through issues early and the let Cody Ford play for two years (albeit he missed some time hurt) before they pulled the plug on that - and he had played more consistently bad football than Cybo. 1 1 Quote
Andrew Son Posted October 4 Posted October 4 18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That is just flat out wrong. Just wait until you find out his opinion of Dawkins! 1 Quote
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