Who was Josh gonna throw to on the “flea flicker” ?

[GaryPinC]

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

If I was a defender on that play, I might maybe be thinking they're using Josh as a decoy.  And I might maybe be thinking they're going to throw to Josh.  But mostly what I'm thinking is that they're going to get the ball to Josh and he's going to throw.

As others have said, this play design fools no one.  

Actually,  as I look at the play again I think the intent of the play was for Allen to run a keeper to the right.  Tough to say for sure but both receiver patterns were far left of the field and we had hats on the only two guys remaining on the right.  If needed, he could fake the throw to freeze the DBs and might have worked if he could have gotten around Van Noy.  Instead he may have audibled to the left and should have thrown it away.

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

the real reason it didnt work imo is because Van Noy isn't an idiot and he goes straight upfield to be able to occupy both Samuel and the space between Samuel and Allen who is always going to have draw attention

 

they should have called timeout immediately once they saw Van Noy lined up in that wide9, Dawkins doesn't have a chance to reach him and he's not going to be in pass rush vs Curtis Samuel

Yep, or switch up the blocking or Josh just throw it out of bounds.

[Bills Fan in MD]

Joe Marino said it best.  The whole point of having a QB like Allen is that you never need to run a trick play.  He's unpredictable and can do something special every time he touches the ball without having to resort to gimmicky nonsense.

[The Jokeman]

9 minutes ago, Bills Fan in MD said:

Joe Marino said it best.  The whole point of having a QB like Allen is that you never need to run a trick play.  He's unpredictable and can do something special every time he touches the ball without having to resort to gimmicky nonsense.

Yet the best team with the best QB due gimmicky things. Have we gotten a out Kelce's backwards pass to Toney that almost beat us last year?

[Eastport bills]

That I’ll timed lateral play, which almost got Josh knocked out, was a momentum killer and the worst call Brady has made all season. The worst part was the fact that Tyrone Jones, a cheap shot tub of goo, obliterated Josh and the Bills never retaliated. Our O-line had been letting free rushers wreck the game all night, but allowing this thug to get away  with taking a running start and blowing our franchise up with a kill shot without any response doesn’t reflect well on guys that Josh gives credit to and credibility with team success. Sickening.

[SoCal Deek]

I said it before…it may have been designed to be a naked bootleg, as opposed to a pass. In other words a QB Around, as opposed to an End Around. He would have easily picked up a first down and kept the drive and momentum going. 

[blacklabel]

Me. And I was wide open, dang it. 

[Livinginthepast]

23 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

Decide for yourself who Josh was supposed to throw top

 

Actually looking at this replay, it appears that Josh was supposed to reverse the direction to keep going towards the other sideline and throw. There's only one Jag on that side (bottom of the screen) and he appears to be blocked. Instead Josh? made the decision to go towards the top of the screen sideline (where all the Jags players were headed to because the misdirection kinda worked) and gets swallowed and almost killed. In either case nobody might have been open but had Josh gone in the reverse direction he wouldnt have been pancaked and the fumble never happens. He also might have had room to run himself for some yards.

[GaryPinC]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

I said it before…it may have been designed to be a naked bootleg, as opposed to a pass. In other words a QB Around, as opposed to an End Around. He would have easily picked up a first down and kept the drive and momentum going. 

The only thing that makes sense to me is either an Allen keeper to that side or Dawson Knox sheds his seal block and gets the short throw from Allen.

 

What you have with this play:  -D is in pass protect, 3/5 receivers go far left of the field, both tight ends execute backside "seal" blocks.

-O-lineman stay at the line of scrimmage to keep a potential pass in play.

-pocket forms on the right side of the formation.

-everyone on Baltimore's D gets sucked left except Josh's spy and the 2 weak side pass rushers.

-Josh bails because of Van Noy, hoping to complete to his receivers he knows are on the left

-Hollins with the deep route?????  Possibly coming back right to try and make a downfield block?

-Coleman with the sit-down route.  Because of Josh staying left or just a decoy to pull coverage?

 

So if Josh comes right and audibles the O-line for the run, they're able to get upfield seal, and try and get to the spy.

Or Josh audibles Knox to release in the flats and he has the entire sideline all to himself.

 

It's actually not a bad play in that context, sure worked on pulling the D.  Two biggest problems were bad timing on the call (we were already grabbing the momentum) and not having a better bail out plan if Josh can't get right.

 

Edited October 4 by GaryPinC