Who was Josh gonna throw to on the “flea flicker” ?

[HardyBoy]

48 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

On 3rd and 4th down primarily.

 

It was 2nd and 7 when we ran that abomination of a trick play 

 

Aw man, I was more excited about the Hook reference

[Mr. WEO]

he was looking for Spiller in space

[Sojourner]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

he was looking for Spiller in space

That play should be called “Spiller”. 
 

josh almost got his beans spilt all over the 50 of M&T. 

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

I wondered if on the all 22, can you see who was the target? Was he open? 
 

the broadcast never showed what the receivers were doing and if he had gotten the pass off, how did it look downfield?

 

thanks for any reviews.

the play is drawn up for Hollins. Coleman is running a dig to hold the other safety. allen is supposed to receive a pitch behind the LOS from Samuel, roll to his right and then throw a 50 yard post across his body to Mack Hollins. yes an actual NFL OC drew up this play

 

[skibum]

That was a terrible call to begin with, but multiple whiffs by O linemen made things even worse. If anyone had actually blocked their assignment, Josh would have been right back in the pocket instead of running for his life to his left. 

Edited October 3 by skibum

[Brand J]

28 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

the play is drawn up for Hollins. Coleman is running a dig to hold the other safety. allen is supposed to receive a pitch behind the LOS from Samuel, roll to his right and then throw a 50 yard post across his body to Mack Hollins. yes an actual NFL OC drew up this play

 

Look at all the OL standing there with no one to block. 

[ngbills]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

Decide for yourself who Josh was supposed to throw top

 

Play looks even worse now

[mrags]

54 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Look at all the OL standing there with no one to block. 

lol. Every single one of them. Standing there looking for butterflies 

[machine gun kelly]

20 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

it wasn't a flea flicker and Hollins beat his guy inside and was past the safety so theoretically he would have thrown that to the sideline in the endzone to Hollins.

Thanks as I just read this and it remedies nothing like a flea flicker. For the OP, a flea flicker is simply you hand off to Cook as an example, he pitches back to Josh, and Josh nails one to Coleman or Shakir downfield.  They are rarely tried in todays NFL as it doesn’t work with NFL speed.

 

Ill add when it works it’s a very exciting play.

 

 

Edited October 4 by machine gun kelly

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, skibum said:

That was a terrible call to begin with, but multiple whiffs by O linemen made things even worse. If anyone had actually blocked their assignment, Josh would have been right back in the pocket instead of running for his life to his left. 

 

Samuel shouldn't have pitched it imo.  Just felt like the lineman hit the mesh point where the pitch or handoff is supposed to occur, so keep or pitch he's following the ball, and pitching just exposes you to a turnover which happened. 

[Goin Breakdown]

More like "chance to get back into the game flicker"

[Drew21PA]

I think the play design may have worked if the line actually blocked and if they would have FAKED to Allen and ran it around the end 

 

it’s too obvious you’re going to toss to Allen to throw it?  Like duh!

[GaryPinC]

4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

the play is drawn up for Hollins. Coleman is running a dig to hold the other safety. allen is supposed to receive a pitch behind the LOS from Samuel, roll to his right and then throw a 50 yard post across his body to Mack Hollins. yes an actual NFL OC drew up this play

 

That would make the most sense, but I think they never practiced it enough because Coleman never looked back on his route and just sat down.  No indication of a dig and when he hit that point he didn't know where Josh was.  The other thing I see is Edwards' first look is left, none of the linemen ever look right to see where Josh is.   Also, Kincaid pulling out of the left TE slot inhibited Dawkins from even having a chance at his block.  Kincaid needed to pick up that block and let Dawkins go do the kickout.  Which would be totally unnecessary if Josh wasn't coming back to that space.😂

 

But definitely your explanation makes the most sense because Brady should lose his job if he actually planned to have Samuel bring Josh the ball and occupy the same space.😂

Edited October 3 by GaryPinC

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

the play is drawn up for Hollins. Coleman is running a dig to hold the other safety. allen is supposed to receive a pitch behind the LOS from Samuel, roll to his right and then throw a 50 yard post across his body to Mack Hollins. yes an actual NFL OC drew up this play

 

 

2 hours ago, ngbills said:

Play looks even worse now

 

Honestly was one of the worst play calls I have seen both in design and timing.  Not gonna hang Brady on it, he took full responsibility of how dumb it was and admitted it probably cost them their chance to get back in the game overall.  So given his first 14 games he was 12-2 and the offense never had a day like this, I will give him the benefit of the doubt that this was a mistake and lesson he wont forget or make again

[GoBills808]

11 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

That would make the most sense, but I think they never practiced it enough because Coleman never looked back on his route and just sat down.  No indication of a dig and when he hit that point he didn't know where Josh was.  The other thing I see is Edwards' first look is left, none of the linemen ever look right to see where Josh is.   Also, Kincaid pulling out of the left TE slot inhibited Dawkins from even having a chance at his block.  Kincaid needed to pick up that block and let Dawkins go do the kickout.  Which would be totally unnecessary if Josh wasn't coming back to that space.😂

 

But definitely your explanation makes the most sense because Brady should lose his job if he actually planned to have Samuel bring Josh the ball and occupy the same space.😂

the real reason it didnt work imo is because Van Noy isn't an idiot and he goes straight upfield to be able to occupy both Samuel and the space between Samuel and Allen who is always going to have draw attention

 

they should have called timeout immediately once they saw Van Noy lined up in that wide9, Dawkins doesn't have a chance to reach him and he's not going to be in pass rush vs Curtis Samuel

[SoonerBillsFan]

It was ran by Brady to show Beane we need Devante Adams.

[hondo in seattle]

7 hours ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:

That design was horrendous. I wonder what the hell happened when they practiced this play… if you want to move the pocket and get Josh throwing on the move b/c the pass rush is teeing off the do that. Trick plays are for bad teams, desperate situations, and special teams.

 

If I was a defender on that play, I might maybe be thinking they're using Josh as a decoy.  And I might maybe be thinking they're going to throw to Josh.  But mostly what I'm thinking is that they're going to get the ball to Josh and he's going to throw.

As others have said, this play design fools no one.  

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Don’t even remind me of that terrible play. If you think momentum doesn’t matter, go re-watch the game. I’ve never seen the energy of a team get drained so fast. 

[JohnNord]

8 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

Hollins beat nobody and was past nobody. 

Hollins wasn’t really open which makes the play that much more brutal

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

Definitely one of the more head scratching plays I can think of in my time as a fan lol