thenorthremembers Posted October 3 Posted October 3 1 minute ago, Kwai San said: Same size I will give you that but way different set of hands, way different. Knox would have gotten the touches if he proved he wouldn't drop the damn ball!!! Kincaid may have the best hands on the team I agree. But Knox was catching the ball very well in 2021 and 2022. He's had drop issues prior to that, and since Kincaid was drafted. I think the trend for him is he becomes more reliable in bringing in the ball as his targets go up. Similar to a running back who needs touches to be more effective. The bigger issue is the Bills used massive resources in terms of money and draft picks for a position Josh doesnt seem to rely on that much. Quote
bouds Posted October 3 Posted October 3 Both our TEs could do better, I mean Kincaid dropped the first 3rd down attempt of the game, dropped another one late in the game although it probably should have been picked off before it got to Kincaid. Time for these guys to step up, lot of resources tied up at the position with little to show for it. Quote
Eastport bills Posted October 3 Posted October 3 Knox should not have been extended and that’s the biggest knock on Brandon. He just wasted so much cap space on unproductive players. Miller, Knox, Milano, White, Morse are sucking up needed resources. Just a quick question, why hasn’t Sean/ Beane demanded play design involving the newly resigned Knox. The guy looks totally forgotten by Brady and Josh. 2 Quote
colin Posted October 3 Posted October 3 2 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: Knox should not have been extended and that’s the biggest knock on Brandon. He just wasted so much cap space on unproductive players. Miller, Knox, Milano, White, Morse are sucking up needed resources. Just a quick question, why hasn’t Sean/ Beane demanded play design involving the newly resigned Knox. The guy looks totally forgotten by Brady and Josh. As a team we simply lack size/speed/power. Too much money on jags and hurt guys. Quote
bouds Posted October 3 Posted October 3 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: Knox should not have been extended and that’s the biggest knock on Brandon. He just wasted so much cap space on unproductive players. Miller, Knox, Milano, White, Morse are sucking up needed resources. Just a quick question, why hasn’t Sean/ Beane demanded play design involving the newly resigned Knox. The guy looks totally forgotten by Brady and Josh. The real issue is they extended Knox and then drafted another TE, like how does this make any sense to anyone. Knox/Shakir/Kincaid, they probably attack similar areas of the field, lot of redundancy, how do they all get touches? We lack true vertical threats, and have too many slot/Y types. Josh Allen and the Bills O made its money going 3 wide to 4 wide, between 20-21 no one used more 4 wide receivers than the Bills. Now they want to do the two TE thing when the two TE thing was never a thing with this team, we barely got 1 TE involved. Lot of head scratching moves. Edited October 3 by bouds Quote
Jerome007 Posted October 3 Posted October 3 Let's be fair. NO Bills wideouts or tight ends have stats to rave about. It was REALLY impressive how the Bills could win 3 games, including 2 blowout wins, without any great pass stats. Any pass catcher having a great game would be something! And for some reason, TEs overall in the NFL have had very little catches so far. Quote
jayg Posted October 3 Posted October 3 19 hours ago, Billsfed1 said: Four games into the season and we really haven't seen much. I know he's being utilized in the run game and doing a fine job there...and I get that Kincaid is a better overall receiving talent, but IMO Dawson certainly can be an effective weapon in the passing game. Some of the best catches I've seen anybody make in a Bills uniform (especially over the past several seasons) have been from Knox. Brady has done a good job of spreading it around and trying to get everyone involved, but I wish he'd quit playing hide and seek with 88. I think if they can get Knox going and at least one of Samuel/Hollins/MVS, it'll give the offense that complete look that it doesn't quite seem to have right now. I'm pulling for tech stocks to pick up the pace again! I'm rooting for Northup and Seymour Knox as well! Sabres stink... Quote
Toledo Bill Posted October 3 Posted October 3 2 hours ago, Eastport bills said: Knox should not have been extended and that’s the biggest knock on Brandon. He just wasted so much cap space on unproductive players. Miller, Knox, Milano, White, Morse are sucking up needed resources. Just a quick question, why hasn’t Sean/ Beane demanded play design involving the newly resigned Knox. The guy looks totally forgotten by Brady and Josh. Knox is a Allen Buddy… have to believe that impacted the extension Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 3 Posted October 3 Timelines kind of important. Kincaid was not a member of the team at the time of the extension. He's 13th in the NFL AAV at the position. He's closer in pay to Noah Grey and Josh oliver than he is to kelce kittle and andrews. He also re-worked his deal going into this season, and there are now incentives for playing time, receptions, yards, and TDs - as well as base salary guarantees. Knox had a good year in 2022. 3rd on team in yards and targets, and had more yards than the running backs on fewer targets. He was coming off a season where he had 9 TDs, and it made sense at the time to give a player with a growing role a raise - also signaled that davis was fully on the outs. Kincaid fell to the point that buffalo wanted to snag him, and buffalo liked the idea of a move TE to pair with an inline guy. He spent most of last year either playing hurt or on IR, so not really his best season and its year 1 of when the extension actually kicked in. End of the day... He's overpaid in the sense that a lot of the role he was paid to occupy is now falling to kincaid. He's still playing more than half of snaps, he's still blocking, just not seeing a ton of targets. And thats fine. He's depth if kincaid were to miss time, he's still a good red zone weapon, he's a physical player with the ball in his hands, and he blocks well (which is literally like half the position). Guy has scored 28 TDs in his career here and everyone wants to write him off as trash because of kincaid. His original role was taken, he has a new role regardless of his paycheck and he's likely here at least 1 more season after this one. Quote
Steptide Posted October 3 Posted October 3 How about Samuel, kinkaid and Knox? How about all of them step up and have big games Quote
uticaclub Posted October 3 Posted October 3 We should all be pulling for everyone to have a great/breakout game. Knox, MVS, Samuel, Hollins, Ray Davis. I want to see production out of all of them. 1 Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 3 Posted October 3 Just now, Steptide said: How about Samuel, kinkaid and Knox? How about all of them step up and have big games Season just started but the Hollins and MVS catch rates are atrocious. Both sub 40 percent, and Hollins already has 11 targets. I just don't know how sustainable it is to keep using Hollins, when the 3 players you listed have fewer snaps (i know there's been some wonky 2nd half splits because of blowouts). Just play the best players! I don't know why this is so difficult at times. Not sure if Samuels hurt or what, but he needs to get up to speed quickly because its absolutely stupid that he's being considerably out snapped by Hollins and MVS. Quote
Sgt. Ski Posted October 3 Posted October 3 22 hours ago, HOUSE said: I used to have his jersey but the car needed waxing you sound just like House 1 Quote
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